#2491 - Brian Simpson

[00:00] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! [00:12] Do you gotta get new glasses? No, I just have... [00:16] different pair for different [00:17] Did they get stronger? [00:18] No. No? I just have a... [00:20] Did you always have glasses? Like, do you have an eyeball issue? Yeah, I got astigmatism. Okay. But I got one... [00:27] One for driving and one for my computer. I used to have to use reading glasses. [00:32] Then I started using red light therapy. The first thing I started doing is taking this company, Pure Encapsulation. It's called macular support. It's like a combination of nutrients that help your eyeballs. [00:51] I don't know how. But I explained it to Huberman. He read it off to me and he's like, this makes sense. But then the big one was red light. I started using red light therapy. I don't need glasses anymore. What? Yeah, my eyes aren't perfect. Like in low light, they're not so good. Like in a dark restaurant, I have to use the flashlight on my thing to read a menu. But I don't need glasses anymore. So I've been wondering that. Is it that I'm getting older or are they just using darker light in the restaurant? They definitely use dark light in restaurants. [01:21] Young people can still read it. Like, I've gone to restaurants with my kids, and they can read in the dark. I'm like, you can read that? I can't read it. But, um... [01:29] But like small print, like on my phone, like reading an email, I didn't used to be able to read it. And now I can read it perfectly. Oh, see, now I'm in that age now where I've got to start switching. Switching glasses. Yeah. Here we go. Here we go. Listen, dude, I'm just happy you're alive. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean...

[01:50] you know [01:51] you know man people don't know what we're talking about you had a heart attack yes I had a heart attack three months ago yeah Super Bowl weekend [01:59] Yeah. In Atlanta. [02:00] Yeah. Out of nowhere. [02:03] Well, was it really out of nowhere? Not really. [02:11] You know, like you were a marathon runner. Right. Right. Exactly. But but I was sitting there, you know, honestly, I was sitting there thinking because I remember the doctor because, you know, we we really are. [02:24] Like we set ourselves up, we kind of deal with trauma and I'm not, I mean, you can argue about whether it's healthy or not, but our first go-to is humor. Right. And I remember the doctor getting upset with me. [02:38] Like the surgeon, the lady that was about to, she was about to put a stint. So, you know, I'm sitting there and she was like, hey, something very serious just happened to you. You know, I was just talking, you know, I was, but it was just how I was just coping, you know, she was not. [02:56] happy about it. [02:57] Did you tell her that's how I deal with things? No, I was already all drugged up and shit. Because it was one of the things where I think they can't put you out. [03:08] completely. It's not that kind of anesthesia. Oh, okay. But I think they need you to be conscious, kind of, in case something goes wrong. Right. But whatever the fuck they put me on, I don't remember any of it. And you were joking around and she was upset. Yeah, what happened was when I got to the hospital, the doctor...

[03:26] that first saw me was like, [03:27] I forget his name, but he was like, "Hey, I'm Doug. And don't worry about anything. I'm gonna be with you the whole time." You know, and then maybe 20 minutes later, you know, they wheeled me in, they drugging me up. And I'm like, "Hey, where the fuck is Doug?" [03:43] You know, and they're like, "Who's Doug?" I was like, "He promised me." [03:46] that he wasn't gonna leave. Obviously I was just joking, I know like he was just saying that, so I would calm down or whatever. [03:54] I don't know why Doug thought he would bring me comfort. But I fake made a big deal of the fact that I felt abandoned by Doug. [04:02] and she didn't think it was funny. Oh. But somebody did, and that's all I needed was to laugh. I'm like, it's you, bitch. It's not me. You're the problem. You're too serious in here. Well, why would she need you to be serious if you're getting a stint put in? Wouldn't that make it work better? I mean, to be fair... [04:16] I think my whole life people have said as serious as a heart attack. And I feel like if you dedicated your life to that, you probably a serious person. [04:24] I don't know any other heart surgeons, but I bet they are pretty uptight. Yeah, they have to be. It's life or death with every decision that they make, right? I guess. They got to get it in on time, right? Like, if they're going to put a stent in you, if they're going to do something. Like, if you're one of those people like you are that... [04:39] If you didn't address this, you would have died. Right. Right. [04:43] So that's one of those things is time critical. So I guess with those people like, hey, stop fucking around, like in their mind, like I got to save you. [04:51] I got to figure out what has to be done within a certain amount of time and get you on the road to recovery. Because if I don't, you're dead. You know what? Something else I remember.

[05:01] And this was just flashbacks. I only remember that these couple seconds is she kept yelling at me because I kept moving my hands. [05:08] So basically like I'm laid down like this and they want you to keep, [05:12] They want you to keep your hands right by your side. And I just remember I kept coming to with her being like, hey, keep your hands. She might have said, keep your fucking hands down. I don't know, though. I don't know. I ain't going to make no accusations. But she was clearly upset about it. [05:27] She was, but I'm like, [05:29] Bitch, I'm on drugs you gave me. I'm not doing it on purpose. [05:33] Apparently my default response... [05:36] Because they have to put a stint in, but they go through your groin. [05:41] Yikes. So, you know, so apparently like my default response is to protect my dick. [05:46] Right. Like I'm waking up, somebody's fucking around down there. You know? It's like, why don't y'all tie me down if it's that important? Why don't you tie my hands down? Right. But maybe they can't. I don't know. I don't know what else is going on. And medical people are real sensitive about criticism. Yeah. [06:00] you know, some of them were really like, we save lives. How dare you? And it's like, all right. [06:04] Yeah. Some of y'all are still assholes, though. Well, they don't have the best sense of humor. They can't. That's not the way... If you want to be a really good doctor, you can't be also a stand-up comedian. See, the nurses have a sense of humor. Right. [06:20] Nurses are fun. They might as well be different species. Yeah, nurses are fun. Nurses come in, they joke around with you, they fuck around, like some of them do, at least. Some of them kill you. Let's be honest. In Atlanta, the nurses were...

[06:33] incredibly attractive like really there was hot nurses everywhere like nurses and it's something about like vet techs like working at the one the ladies working at the vet hospitals yeah it's something about going into that field i don't know what it is [06:48] Vet techs, you mean veterinarians? Yeah, like veterinarians. But not the doctors. [06:53] Right, just the nurses. Well, they're people who love animals, sweet people. [06:58] Oh, yeah. And money. They love animals. [07:14] like when I get the bill at the human hospital, or when, 'cause at the vet hospital, I feel like they, [07:20] I feel like they're extorting me. [07:23] Ooh, you know, like when I got the bill from this hospital, I was like, God damn. But I was in there and they were because they didn't walk up to me while like before the surgery and go. [07:34] What's it going to be? Right. But when it's your pet, that's what they do. Right. We could do this life saving thing, which is the best thing to do, but it's way more money than you have. Or, you know, you can be a piece of shit pet owner and get the twenty dollar thing. [07:49] Yeah. They'll try to get you to take out a loan, all that. [07:54] Just really turn the screws. That's awful. [07:56] This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Paramount+. UFC history is going down at the White House. It's the world's greatest fights on America's biggest stage. Watch UFC Freedom 250 at the White House live today only on Paramount+.

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[11:42] That dog fucking eats. He just, all he wants to do is eat. He gets so excited. All he wants to do is everything is eat. I want every morsel of flavor out this dirt. It's so crazy he kept eating rocks. I mean, he ate pounds of gravel. It wasn't like a small amount of gravel. It was the amount of gravel that was in my living room on the carpet. It was crazy. Oh, wow. Out of throw up and just diarrhea. It was everywhere. It was a crime scene. I bet you he won't do that shit again. Oh, yeah, he will. He will. He'll do it tomorrow. [12:12] He's the best. Like he's a sweet dog. I love him so much. I love him so much. He's just all love. Every time I see him, he just wagging his tail. I get down on the ground with him. He kisses me. I hug him. I rub his belly. He's the best, but he is not. That used to be a wolf. That's what's so fucked up about human beings. We took something that's the most clever, most, they communicate with each other. They plan traps on animals. They're so clever. You can't, and also you can't train them. [12:42] You know that about wolves? You can't train them. That's why you don't see wolves in the fucking circus. You cannot train. You could train a bear. You could train a lion. You could train a tiger. Wolves just go, fuck you. I'm going to do exactly what I want to do. But not dogs. Certainly not my dog. Like Marshall, he's the sweetest. Like he was so easy to train. See, that's wild because you can train a lion, but you can't train a house cat. Can't train a wolf. Well, you can train house cats to do certain things. [13:12] in the toilet. No, Joe, there's a video of like... I want to... She's Russian. She's like the world champion.

[13:20] cat training. [13:22] And she's getting these cats to do a whole bunch of shit, but every now and then... They do what they want. They just do what the fuck they want. Yeah, that's true. You can't get them to do it like [13:31] Like a really good dog will, like a Belgian Malinois that's a soldier. Absolutely not. Just does every task you ask him to. That's impossible. Absolutely not. But with wolves, you can't train them to do anything. [13:42] They won't listen. I didn't know that. They don't listen to you at all. [13:46] I had a friend who had wolves. He had like seven eighth timber wolves, and they got out and killed a bunch of his neighbor's sheep. You couldn't stop them from doing anything they wanted to do, whatever they wanted to do. Why did he have a pack of wolves? He's an idiot. [14:00] He had three of them. [14:01] I was like, you don't have these dogs. You just feed them. This is not like a dog. They don't listen to you, and you have a house with a yard. That's crazy. You should have an enormous piece of land, and even then, if you have wolves, they're going to kill everything they run across. Yeah, they need miles. Yeah. [14:22] of space. Yeah, they're cardio machines. They run through the mountains. They chase down moose. That's why I get so irritated when [14:30] Because I'm in the apartments now. [14:32] And I'm in one of those. I don't know what the fuck is going on with my building, but but it's full of dog. Like the building is for dog people. There's there's a dog wash that all of the grass around it is all fake. And there's there's fucking shit bags every 10 feet in the front of the building from like noon to 4 p.m. It always just the strongest scent of dog piss because 50 people have walked their dogs around. And that's fine. I don't I don't mind that at all. But what irritates me.

[15:01] is when I see, because I know I have the biggest apartment. [15:06] in the building. [15:07] And... [15:08] I know... [15:09] that i don't have room for like i i don't have the room for like a uh like a blue like a blue healer or right it was like you see motherfuckers with dogs like that was like yo you that dog needs to be running miles every day why you got that big ass dog oh yeah i see i saw a damn i saw uh uh [15:29] a cane corso. [15:30] mm-hmm that's crazy it's like you got a king corso in a in a in a 1300 square foot apartment [15:38] That's crazy. That's crazy. And I don't, and here's the thing. I don't see that motherfucker every day. So you, you skipping days. [15:44] This motherfucker needs to hurt things. He needs to have exercise. It's like having an MMA fighter living in your house. You better take him to the fucking gym. Oh, yeah. Because people always blow off steam. When people find out that I have a cat, they always like, oh, so your apartment smells like a cat. No. [16:01] No, but you know whose places always smell bad? It's people that have a dog that's too fucking big to be in the place. Yeah. Yeah. Also, they probably can't wash it right. [16:12] like what are you gonna do do you get in the shower with it i used to get in the shower with my dogs i bring marshall to a groomer but um my my dog johnny he used to love to get in the shower with me really yeah he was a big mastiff and he loved it because it was just massages and love in the shower i just cover him with shampoo and i would talk nice to him i go oh we're getting so clean buddy he'd give me kisses we're good you were good something about seeing their human with no clothes

[16:39] I think they lock because my cat does it. She loves to come in the bathroom whenever she knows I'm naked. Or she has a shower and she just sit there and watch. It's probably weird to them that you could take your clothes off. I mean, no, I think it's weird to them that you wear clothes at all. Oh, for sure. They're like, what? [16:52] Yeah, what are you doing? Why are you under the sheets all the time? Yeah. And I've softened my stance on people that put clothes on their animals, but I'm like, they don't like it. [17:01] Well, some dogs like – [17:05] Chihuahuas in the winter, it's a good idea. It's like 30 degrees out, put a little sweater on. The dog likes it. No, the dog likes that you like it. [17:14] They like pleasing you, but they don't want clothes on. They don't, but if you have like a little dog, like a chihuahua, for instance, they get really cold. [17:22] But those guys, if you put a little sweater on them, like they feel better outside. It just makes sense. It's warm. But okay, then go all the way there. Where the boots at? [17:32] I'm going to wear boots in the summer because like New York City, like the street gets so hot. Like you think about how hot the street gets. If it's 98 degrees outside. It was like broken glass. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, you're just walking on hot rocks. Right. But also, what are you doing with that big ass dog in New York City? That's true. There are no apartments. [17:52] out here in New York. I mean, I would have to make a choice. Like, if for some reason I had to move to New York City, I'm not getting rid of my dog. And I'm not leaving my dog here. You can't be rid of your dog. No chance. Not a chance in hell. So I would just have to commit to a lifestyle of taking that dog out to, like, Central Park every day, doing things with him every day. I would have to make a choice. Bro. I would have to live near the park, for sure. Like, for me to get rid of my cat, it would have to be like... It would have to die.

[18:21] They'd have to die, or it would have to be something where like, I... [18:24] I am absolutely not capable of... [18:27] I can't move. Something crazy like that. When I moved out here from Cali, [18:34] she can't fly [18:38] Oh, so did you drive her across the country? I paid somebody to. Oh, there you go. Oh, that would be a fuck. Actually, I didn't have a car at the time, but that would be a nightmare. This is the most stubborn creature. Like, this creature, like, I have a hard time getting her. I've taken her to three groomers. They've all been like, you got to come get her. [18:53] - Ah, huh. - Yeah, I'm good. 'Cause she doesn't like to be restrained in any way. Yeah, and at the slightest, [19:00] sign that you're thinking about holding her down or putting her in something, she will fight with everything she got. Is she a feral cat? No. Well, she might have been. Would you get her? I got her. The story the lady told me [19:17] It doesn't really add up, but basically, she was... [19:21] a divorce happened. [19:23] This family had two cats and a dog. And then the wife got the house and started fostering animals. [19:31] And then... [19:33] my cat's brother, [19:35] who so her and her brother were the original cats my cat's brother [19:40] started [19:42] basically like join this pack of cats against because Millie don't socialize at all. But her brother kind of turned on her Game of Thrones. Yeah. And so since then, she was just hostile with everybody. All the animals, I mean. And so when I came to get her, all these animals were in this lady's house, except Millie. She was in the garage. And they had a little post. And she was in the garage. And when I came to take her, she was so down to go. She was like, fuck all them people. Fuck my brother. Fuck this. She was so she likes you.

[20:10] Oh, yeah, she loves me. She follows me from room to room. Oh, that's sweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some cats that just choose one person, too. She also hates me, too. She hates you? I think she hates... [20:21] She probably had bad experiences. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's got some kind of trauma that I'll never know about. You got to give her some... [20:27] Kitty cat ayahuasca. Bro, I've had to put her on CBD and shit before we go to the vet. Really? This episode is brought to you by Ketone IQ. I don't care who you are. Performance is mental. I talk for a living, so I'm always looking for a way to stay sharp. Ketone IQ is one of the few things that actually feels like a game changer. It came out of a $6 million U.S. military research program on human performance. [20:57] fasting or training and your brain loves it. I use it before long days for a smooth, steady focus, no spikes or crashes, and it's clean. No sugar, no carbs, no preservatives. Go to ketone.com slash Rogan for 30% off your subscription order or find Ketone IQ at Target stores nationwide in [21:27] They'll even offer a 60-day money-back guarantee. Go ahead and take your shot. Do you ever put her in catnip? You ever give her a catnip? Oh, yeah, sometimes. Does she get high and roll around and get freaky? She loves it. What is it? It's so weird. It works on every cat. I've never seen a cat where it doesn't work on it.

[21:44] Imagine – I mean, there's shit like that for people. Oh, yeah. You just give someone – We got plenty of shit like that. But I don't know if it gets them high. I don't know what it's doing to them. So then – Well, let's find out. I really have no idea what the mechanism of – [21:58] Let's put this into perplexity. All right, Jamie, you already did it. What's perplexity? Catnip is an aromatic – perplexity is our AI sponsor. Really? Yes, we have an AI sponsor. Oh, shit. Okay. It's the shit. It's not ideologically captured. Catnip is an aromatic herb in the mint family whose leaves and stems contain a chemical – how do you say that word? [22:21] Nepetala. Want to try that, Jamie? I'm going to say nepetalactone. Nepetala. I think you're right. [22:27] nepotolactone, that triggers playful or euphoric behavior in many cats. [22:34] Many cats. Interesting. I thought it was all cats. [22:37] A plant is native to Eurasia, now common across temperate regions, and is easy to grow in North America, often in gardens or pots. [22:44] Why cats react to it? Catnip contains an oil whose main active compound is nepotalactone, a type of terpene produced in glands on the leaves and stems. When the cats smell nepotalactone, it binds to receptors in their nose and stimulates brain pathways linked to mood, leading to behaviors like rolling, rubbing, purring, meowing, jumping, or brief zoomies. [23:09] Only about two-thirds. Oh, okay. 80% of cats are sensitive to catnip. The tendency is genetic. The effect usually lasts 5 to 15 minutes, after which they become temporarily immune for a while.

[23:20] Interesting. Is it safe? For most cats, catnip is considered non-toxic and safe, and many vets recommend it as enrichment to encourage play and reduce boredom or stress. Eating a small amount is usually fine and may soothe the digestive tract, but large amounts can cause short-lived stomach upset, vomiting, diarrhea, or dizziness. Your cat's just fucking a fiend. Oh shit, you're only supposed to give a pinch? I don't know. That's what they say down there. Only a pinch. Oh, here it goes. [23:50] offered just a pinch of dried or fresh. How much do you give your cat, bro? [23:59] I don't fuck their world. Oh, my God. You give her a fat bag. You give her a fat bag. I just let her go at it. You know what's funny, man? My cat is very like I let her do what she wants. [24:13] You know, like, she can go outside. Like, you know, she's not an outdoor cat, but if she want to go out, I open the door. Because I make sure, you know what it is? I make sure outside is not some... [24:24] Some mystery place that she... If she want to go, I open the door and let her go. And then after she get cold or hear something and smell, I run back in the house. Because that way, she's not just dying to go out there all the time. Right, right, right. I'm not worried about her running away. I worry about coyotes, man. When you let cats out, man, coyotes are fucking... And they target your house. They know where the cats are. They know the cats that get let out. Yeah, but it's like... [24:47] Cut. [24:47] Nothing comes near my building because it just smells like 50 dogs live there. Yeah, but they eat dogs, too.

[24:54] Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah, my daughter's puppy got eaten by a coyote in California. Guy was training, and he left the puppy outside and got eaten by coyotes. Bro, I haven't seen no coyotes. Oh, I've seen them. Also, but here's the other thing, too. My girl is... [25:10] You know, she... [25:11] She takes zero chances. The slightest side of danger. She already got 50 spots to hide and run. She's never gotten into it with anything. The thing about coyotes is they're predators, right? And cats are predators too, but pets are different than wild animals. Yeah, this bitch ain't no predator. They're very different. She'll bring a fucking mouse in the house. Yeah, I mean, they kill stuff. They kill stuff for fun. But there's a difference between that and needing to eat. [25:40] and needing to eat cats in order to survive, which is what coyotes do. So coyotes know where the cats are. They know the smell when cats are peeing outside. So if they know a cat lives in the house and they know the cat pees outside, they just hover nearby and wait because they know it's a matter of time before the cat has to go outside. You know what's funny, man? I haven't seen the coyotes the whole time I lived in Austin. They'll hide. Three years now? They hide. I know. I saw them all the time in L.A., though. You'll see them. They exist. You know what it is? [26:10] They aren't starving like the ones in L.A. were. Right. Because they get bolder and bolder the hungrier they get. Well, the thing about Austin as opposed to L.A. is there's a lot of animals and there's a lot of moisture. Right. [26:21] Right. So if you're outside of greater Austin area, like a lot of these, I see them all the time out where I live because there's a lot of animals where I live. I see like foxes.

[26:32] Almost every day, I see armadillos. A couple times a week, I see deer every day. [26:37] I always see the, especially when I come home, I see foxes running across the road. There's all kinds of animals. So there's all kinds of things that coyotes eat. A lot of rabbits, all kinds of things coyotes eat. And so they don't have to come into the city. Whereas in LA, you've got LA and then everything around LA is just barren. You know, it's all dry and fucked up and you might find a rabbit, but it's way easy to eat someone's cat. And I think that every person doesn't realize... [27:05] how many coyotes are around them. Like, oh yeah. Every major city. They're like, they're like raccoons. They're in every city, everywhere. There's a great book on it called Coyote America. Oh yeah. It's really good. And, um, [27:18] It's all about how coyotes, what happens is when they yell out, they're doing like a roll call. And when they're doing a roll call, they're letting all the other coyotes know that they're there. And when one of them is missing, the female coyotes assume that that. [27:35] Coyote's dead, and so their body responds by making a larger litter. [27:40] What? So they get... Yeah. They'll have more babies if someone's missing. Damn, death makes them horny? Well, it makes them have more children. They always have children. They're always horny, right? But they, instead of having three pups, they'll have six. [27:54] And they spread out because they were persecuted by gray wolves. Like that's the whole deal. And being gray wolves and red. So, so,

[28:04] Coyotes and red wolves mate with each other. That's why you get what they call a coy wolf. But it really is coyote is a wolf. It's a type of wolf. But they're not related to the gray wolves and gray wolves and coyotes don't mate. So gray wolves, the ones that happen like Colorado and all the other. [28:22] you know, like Montana, those wolves just eat coyotes. They just kill them. They don't fuck around. So there's no chance of becoming allies. So those coyotes learned a long time ago when they start getting killed by wolves, just spread out. Just get the fuck out of there. Keep moving. That's why they're in 50 states. [28:41] They're in every city in the country now. And that wasn't the case when I was a kid. When I was a kid, like I grew up in Massachusetts in my high school years, there was no fucking coyotes. [28:51] Nobody, I never even heard of anybody seeing a coyote. I never saw a coyote in my life until 1994 in, uh, I, do you remember in LA they have those Oakwood garden apartments? It's like furnished apartments that they had in LA. And, uh, I was driving to it. It's like when I first moved there, I didn't have an apartment yet. When I first moved there, I was like, those fucking dogs, all these dogs. And I'm like, oh. [29:14] Oh, shit, those are coyotes. I remember pulling the car over, looking at them like, this is weird. These weird little wolves just wandering around the city. Like, that's how you know you see in a coyote. You're like, is that a dog? Well, that was the first time, and that was in 94. But by the time, you know, we left in 2020, fucking they were everywhere. I mean everywhere. Like, they expanded. And now they're in New York City. They find them in the middle of the fucking park.

[29:44] They find them in the Bronx. They're in abandoned buildings. They're all over the place. They're in Chicago. Coyotes are all over the whole country. When I was in L.A., one of the neighborhoods I lived in, I was in... [29:55] the neighborhood Facebook group. [29:57] and there was a dude in there his name was Coyote, the guy's name was Coyote he just wanted everybody to know that he loved Coyote so much and he would literally eat [30:06] He would defend coyotes no matter what the fuck they did. Like somebody would be in the Facebook group, hey, a coyote fucking ate my dog right out of my hands. Watch out. And this guy would be like, if anybody here harms that coyote, they have to answer to me. Fuck your dog. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. I think his name was like his name was like Coyote Jones or something like that. He was serious. [30:25] He was real serious. Really into coyotes. He was, you know, everybody got their thing. Wow. They're an interesting animal, man. It's really interesting in that book. It's all about... You know who's... [30:39] I just saw something about how raccoons are the next animal that that's being, uh, [30:46] tamed or domesticated or whatever. Oh, I believe that. The ones in the city are starting to have shorter snouts. Oh, whoa. Yeah, they're starting to... Look more like how wolves became bitch-ass wolves when they came around the fire. Basically, they're starting to get cuter. Like dogs. The ones closer to us are getting cuter because they know it gets them treated better. Wow. The cuter ones have more babies. Wow. I know, and that's crazy. Because I read somewhere that we haven't actually domesticated cats, or not.

[31:16] That makes sense. Maybe domesticated isn't the word. Never got them to the point where we did it with dogs. Exactly. But raccoons are getting there. That's so interesting. Yeah. But it makes sense. Did you ever hear about that Russian study they did with foxes? Like how quickly you can domesticate a fox? Oh, no. I didn't know that you could do that. It's really quick. So you start out with foxes and any fox that shows any aggress – you start out with a bunch of foxes. Any fox that shows any aggression to a person, you kill it on the spot. Oh. [31:46] bang, dead, fuck you. Get all the ones that survive or ones that have no aggression towards people. And then slowly their snouts get shorter and their ears start to flop. And over the course of like 10 years, you got a totally different animal. [31:59] See if you can find that. Why don't people do that? Well, they did do that with this one study, but it was just to show how quick things change, like given natural selection. Like natural selection dictated that if you're a sweeter fox, you live. If you show your teeth, they fucking shoot you in the head. [32:15] And I'm sure Russian scientists are probably a little bit more hardcore. Oh, Chinese. Here it is. Dmitry Belov in Ludmilya Trout, the Russian fox domestication program, is a long-term experiment in Novosibirsk, Siberia, that successfully bred domesticated silver foxes, a form of red fox, selecting specifically for tameness.

[32:45] sophisticated elite pets displaying dog-like behaviors such as tail wagging, licking, and whining for attention. [32:52] So you can buy them. [32:54] Can you buy one of these foxes? That's crazy. See if there's a video... [32:58] Oh, you can get one for $9,000. [33:00] What? [33:02] Known for high energy and needing intensive care. Yeah, you don't want that in your fucking 1,300 square foot apartment. What makes them elite, though? It is interesting, right? What does that mean? [33:14] I... [33:15] Does it look like AI? Well, that top one did. [33:17] Let's see. [33:19] it's who knows nowadays right oh look at this lady's got a fox as a pet [33:26] Oh, wow. They're like little dogs. That's crazy. [33:31] But the thing about foxes are they are like playful in the wild, even while foxes are playful with people. [33:39] Oh, this little guy's missing a foot. [33:43] I don't know if those are... [33:45] wild or the thing these are just different foxes i don't think these are those foxes this is just right it's showing the info and then showing a bunch of different foxes but if you remember grizzly man like that movie the warner herzog movie so he was living in the middle of alaska around these bears and the foxes would come and hang out with him and the foxes would like hang out in his tent they would play with him they stole his hat once and ran away with his hat [34:15] And the bears don't.

[34:17] attack the foxes well they probably would if they could but foxes probably can get away i mean they probably catch a fox slipping every now and then but mostly what they were looking for up there was salmon they're eating a lot of salmon and when bears get salmon that's all they want like you there's a crazy video that we've shown before of this guy and they're on the edge of a river and the salmon are running there's all these bears in there that'll just like just gorging on salmon [34:47] The reason why they're so much bigger is because they have access to salmon. They have access to fish and all the other animals that are there too. But when there's a salmon run, that's all they want. They just want to eat salmon. So you're saying like if you give salmon to a bear that's never had salmon before – [35:01] It'll just – that's all it'll want after then. No, that's not what I'm saying. I wouldn't – it's probably delicious. I mean that's why we like sashimi. But I think it's – the access is so easy. Oh, okay. They don't have to chase anything. They just stand in the river. It literally comes to them. They just bite it out of the air. You see how bears do that? Oh, yeah. And bears are kind of lazy. Like if they can preserve energy, they will. They just want to get fat for hibernation, right? So they just want to eat as much as possible. So the point is like when they're like that and they're just eating fish, you don't even have to worry about them. [35:31] So this dude is like sitting there. He's got like a little lawn chair and this fucking giant bear just walks up besides him and sits down, like sits down almost like a person. [35:44] And they're like, hey, get out of here. Hey. I mean, it is as close to him as you are to me. And it might be.

[35:50] A thousand pounds. I mean, this thing is fucking gigantic. And you see the river behind him. So you see all these bears that are just scooping salmon out of the river. And what is the bear trying to tell him? The bear doesn't give a fuck. He just comes to sit down. [36:03] Like you might be a stick or a person. It doesn't matter. It's eaten salmon. Sorry. Like watch this. Look at this. [36:10] Look at this. [36:13] This dude's just sitting there with his fucking chair. And this giant ass bear just comes next to him. Look at the size of that thing. [36:20] Ugh. [36:22] But it's not interested in him at all. It's not like plans... [36:25] It's not coy. It's not pretending it's not going to kill him. [36:29] Like, it's... It doesn't care about him. Like... [36:32] It doesn't think that [36:33] he's going to eat it. That's for fuck sure. Right? Right? [36:36] So it's like he's just chilling. [36:38] Like, that might as well be... [36:39] Look at him. He sits down like a person. [36:43] Bro, you know what it is about these motherfuckers is how fast they can go from this [36:48] to terrifying yeah to forty five miles an hour [36:51] He's like, "Hey, get out of here." Then it walks off. [36:57] He's like, all right, not looking for any trouble. Just hanging out. [37:01] It's amazing that the thing listens to him. But it's also amazing that he's not freaked out. I guess he's taking a photo. So in that video, you see there's a ton of bears that are just hanging out in that stream. And they don't fight with each other either during those situations because they know there's so much salmon. There's enough for everybody. So like if one of them kills a moose, right, the other ones will come over and try to steal it from them. Fuck you. That's my moose. And they'll – because there's only one food source. But on these rivers, there's just constant fish coming out.

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[39:08] but still have access to real design professionals. They'll even send free samples. Blinds.com has been doing this for 30 years, and they back everything with a 100% satisfaction guarantee so you can order with confidence. Right now, my listeners can get an exclusive 40% off when you spend $500 or more at Blinds.com and use the promo code ROGAN40. Limited time offer, Blinds.com, promo code ROGAN40. Rules and restrictions apply. [39:38] about these animals man you know a little you know I just saw some shit about Florida so they they have a serious uh [39:48] uh, [39:49] snake problem now like uh i think it's pythons yeah it's pythons and uh how to do it on python cowboy he gave us a head where is that head [39:58] Do you know what that is? [40:00] Well, yeah, well, they, so they, they, they've been trying to catch. So apparently it came from the eighties and the nineties of like a big Python pet boom. And there's a research center that got hit by a hurricane. Right. That's what I was about to say. The hurricane came, they released it into the world. Now it's a problem. [40:17] And they tried paying hunters to get them and they tried to training dogs to find them. And nothing is good enough. But then they made. [40:26] They made robot rabbits. You see this? Yeah, they made robot rabbits, and they put them in these boxes, and they generated fake body heat and the scent of rabbits and everything. And it did attract, it did pull the snakes, but it pulled everything else, too. So what ended up happening is the snake's only natural predator was alligators.

[40:56] was fucking these things up, and the snakes purposely avoid the alligators. So it ended up having the opposite effect. The snakes stayed away, and the alligators were fucking these boxes up. And it was almost a complete waste. [41:11] But then one of the nerds, as they were about to shut the whole fucking thing down, he noticed in the data... [41:17] that [41:18] Thank you. [41:18] What they actually found out so they plugged it into AI and AI did this whole fucking map of all the data because because apparently before every attack I [41:28] those boxes were still tracking movement and everything was going on. And they found out that the animals have highways. [41:38] So it's not that the snakes were in random places, it's that the snakes and the alligators were using these... [41:45] these highways that only they could smell of like the quickest ways to get through the Everglades and stuff like that. And so they were able. So now they just they know where they are and they know how they get from one part of the of the swamp to the other. And they didn't. So we learned something. We still. [42:03] don't know what the fuck to do about the python they use dogs a lot where the dogs find the eggs well they they've trained these two dogs specifically but but they got to the point where it's like [42:14] You know you just it's just so much ground to cover two dogs ain't gonna do it anyway So that's the problem with the pythons. I mean we could wipe them out if we want it. I don't think we can well The everglades are so big. Well, that's my point is we can't like the cost of doing it is

[42:29] We just haven't found a way where we can do it where it doesn't cost – [42:33] Just a crazy amount of money. But you think about all the money they do spend shit on. Like if they got all this Somali daycare center money back, they could kill the snakes. [42:42] Yeah, did you see Ilhan Omar? She's reading off of a script. She's the woman who's a congresswoman from Minnesota. [42:52] From Minneapolis? [42:53] And she's connected, at least accused of being connected to the Somali daycare center. She's Somali. She's accused of being connected to this fraud. So she's reading off this script. [43:06] And you know how people write World War II and they use like I.I. for two? Okay, yeah. She reads it as World War XI. [43:15] This is a congressperson? She's a congresswoman! See if you can find the video, Jamie. It's kind of adorable. It's kind of adorable because... [43:26] I don't think English is her first language already. At least it doesn't. The last time the Alien Enemies Act was invoked, it was used to detain and deport German, Japanese, Italian immigrants doing World War II. [43:41] 11. [43:42] At least she caught it though. I didn't know she caught it. I never saw it. They always cut it off before she caught it. Wow. [43:51] That's politics, bro. Politics is fucking brutal, man. It's gross. I don't understand why anybody would want to go into it. But, Jermat, how could you say World War XI? Like, you know there haven't been...

[44:02] Oh, but I've said other words you forgot about, but I've said way dumber shit. [44:08] But have you ever read enough for written speech? I mean, I would almost be, you know, there's I do on a daily basis. I do things or say things. [44:20] that [44:22] I definitely shouldn't have children. [44:26] Well, if you did, they'd make fun of you. I'm too forgetful. I'd say stupid shit, and my kids make fun of me. It's normal. Yeah, my brain. It's part of being a person to pretend that you don't say stupid shit. But the thing is, like, you and I say stupid shit publicly. Like, we'll say stupid shit on a podcast. Oh, yeah. And sometimes you pay for it. But I'm talking about stuff that I would be embarrassed to have said publicly. Like World War XI. Yeah, like World War XI. I'm telling you, I do shit like that all the time. [44:56] Tony makes fun of me all the time because he's like, you're like a cartoon character. I have that kind of luck where it's like sometimes I just have those days, man. I wake I woke I wake up. This happened like the number when I was. So last Tuesday, right? Last bottom of the barrel. [45:11] You walked in the green room and I told you I went to go smell the candle and I didn't know those jelly roll candles. And it's a bong. And I wasn't thinking about it. And I went to smell the candle and poured the wax on my clothes right before I got to go off stage. And I was wearing like light pants. So it looked like I jizzed on my pants as the wax was drying. And and and that's why I went home early that day, because I was like, it was one of the days I woke up and the day started that way.

[45:41] rolled over and pulled it off my nightstand. And I get up to go deal with that, and I fucking stub my toe. And I'm like, it's gonna be one of these days. It's gonna be one of these fucking days. I'm gonna drop a glass in the kitchen, [45:53] So you just said, let's call it a day. I said, let me, I'll call it. Go home, go right to sleep. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you gave up on the day? No, I still, I mean, I still ended up at the mothership that night. Your set was good, though. My set was good, but I took a nap. [46:07] I naps till the mothership. Because I've never been having one. I'm sleeping. I'm going to take a strong nap. Take this edible. Take a strong nap. Get to the mothership. Do myself. Leave. Almost like it's a new day because you just woke up. [46:16] but no but then I spilt the wax on me so my brain was like you don't get to cheat [46:21] Interesting. The idea of good days and bad days based on just like this is what the world has planned for you today. This is a bad day. You know what it is? If I don't get the sunshine... [46:33] Like, I... [46:35] 'Cause I'm a night owl, which kinda sucks, but if either I need to stay up for the sunshine, 'cause I got the blackout curtains. But if I wake up late in the day, [46:44] and I don't get no sunshine, I just feel dumber. Yeah, definitely. I do too. Yeah. Yeah. When I, if I wake up late, even if I get a good amount of sleep, like more than five hours, but if I was up really late at night and then I wake up late, I feel off because your whole system's all scrambled. Your system is used to waking up in the morning and going to bed at night. But if you stay up late, [47:06] Like your brain is working on like 40% capacity. Sometimes I, sometimes I, cause I get, I'm a big gamer.

[47:13] Sometimes I'll get it. And I'm one of those people like if I pay $60 for a game or something, now it's like $80. But I'm going to play the fuck out of it. Like the day it come out, I'm playing it all night. [47:23] So you're playing online or you're playing the game itself? Both. [47:26] It depends on the game. What is the games that you like? All type of shit. Like, what's the big one right now? Right now, the game I'm playing the most is called Deadlock. It's not open and available to the public. It is? No. Dude, you're a developer? I didn't get this shit. No, but you have to be invited. It's a closed, what do they call it? A closed beta or playtest? Oh, okay. Closed playtest? That's how hardcore you are? You get invited to beta tests? Oh, yeah. I got a bunch of nerdy friends. Wow. [47:56] is like it's through one of the servers at the mothership we all game we on the same discord we'll get on there we don't because it's nice to have a group where it's like some new shit come out and we like yo this is death lock oh yeah this looks cool this shit cooler than a motherfucker but it also will make you mad as shit [48:13] So it's third person. So you look at it in third person. Yeah, it's third person. And you get to pick who you are. Oh, what is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right now, I think there's 34 characters. [48:24] So look, that's all different people. [48:27] There's a lot of information on the screen that just popped up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What's all those? Buddy, this is... What are all those things? This is crazy. I'm going to fuck this up and a bunch of people... Okay. So, basically... Okay. Okay. [48:39] So, [48:41] So basically, so see that bottom left number, the green number, 3003? Yeah. Okay, so those are souls, which is just money.

[48:49] Your monies are souls? Yeah. In this game, just think of souls as dollars. Okay. So she's got $3,000. [48:55] And basically, so the thing she just left is the lane she was in. [49:03] Basically how good how well you're playing the game how many kills you get how many minions you're getting you get more money and the money lets you go buy those items That's what all those cards are underneath those people. It tells you what everyone's bought Okay, and since this bitch got the most money she's bought the most stuff which makes her stronger so this game is all about snow It's all about getting [49:19] Getting the money to get stronger faster so you can win. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's like a zip line? Is she on a zip line here? Yeah, yeah, because if you see on the right-hand side – [49:30] That's the map. So there's three different lanes you have to control, right? And [49:37] That big box is like the... [49:40] man this is a lot that uh is this like league of legends but on the ground exactly okay i'm glad you put it like that but that doesn't help joe at all he's like thank you yeah okay so so so see it looks fun see the yellow side see the yellow side on the left hand side of the map okay that first tower is where you start at oh and the point is to get stronger get underneath that destroy it then you work down to the second one that one is a little stronger it defends itself that's what [50:10] They're on teams. Yeah, it's two teams trying to and you're basically you're trying to work yourself down to their base and kill the kill the one in their base. Oh, wow. So you gang you join up with a team of guys that are playing this online. Yeah, it's six on six. Oh, wow. But then they just but here's the thing. This is all very complicated and all this, but they just introduced braw mode.

[50:30] you [50:31] which is a street brawl which is basically it knocks it down to four on four it makes it one lane and it gives you random items so you don't have to do any of the complicated shit you can just get in and and and [50:43] Get in. So you get in, run around, grab something and beat people up with it. Yeah. So basically the brawl mode is just a condensed version of the game where you're just fighting. You're not you don't have to worry about managing anything. Boy, that looks like it would take up a lot of time. Oh, buddy. Yeah, because here's the thing. This was crazy about shit like that is if you're. [51:03] If somehow you end up in a game where everyone knows what they're doing and everyone's communicating, one of those games can be over in 25 minutes. [51:11] but if you're on a game, that's probably not going to happen. So it can go anywhere from 25 minutes to an hour. I've seen games go an hour. Yeah. So it's like, but most of, if a game is going that long, it's just because it's either because people are playing with you. [51:27] 'Cause it's one of those things where like, if you get behind to a certain point, you can't come back. [51:32] That's the whole point of the game. [51:34] Oh, really? Yeah. The whole point is the snowball is like I'm so much stronger than you that there's nothing you can do. It gets to the point where I'm just abusing you. Okay. Is it because they've collected the most stuff? Because they've had the most money for the longest. Oh. And they can just keep buying better and better shit than you, and there's nothing you can do about it. [51:51] But my point is, the point is for you to get to a certain point and just end the game. [51:56] But some people don't know when that is, you know? Here's the quick three-sentence overview of what the game is.

[52:03] is a [52:05] futuristic urban fantasy New York. [52:08] your gods part of an occult ritual, trying to destroy each other. Yeah, so the back story is an event happened called the Maelstrom that- There's a whole origin story. No, this is just the back story. It opened up a portal that let magic into the world. [52:24] And all of these people got all these abilities and powers and stuff like that. And there's two opposing gods in some other dimension, and they want you to summon them so they can cross over into this realm. [52:39] So the team you're on is whichever god you're working for. And when you win the game, that's supposed to be you completing the ritual. And if you help complete the ritual, you get a wish. [52:49] And so when you go to each character, it tells you their backstory and what they want, what wish they want when they get there. Oh, okay. Yeah, and some people don't want nothing. They just want to fuck people up. And how long have you been playing this game? [53:01] It's been probably... [53:05] I don't know, a year and a half. So it seems super complicated. And like it would... [53:10] dedicated considerable amount of thinking. It's very complex you because you don't you you [53:15] you don't even know what the fuck you're doing for like the first 200 hours. [53:22] Like it takes about 200 hours before you're like, okay, I kind of get what's going on. This is the kind of things that people without kids say. Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. I just, I can't. [53:31] I'm definitely a 43-year-old child. I don't live like an adult.

[53:36] Yeah. No. I live like almost like a fret. [53:40] Like a frat boy or something. [53:42] Well, if you could pull it off, those are, when you ask people, some of the happiest times of their life. Oh, yeah. When they were young and free, especially people that don't like what they do. Right? People get a job and they don't like it, and then they have responsibilities and they can't leave their job. Shit. Or people that get a wife and don't like her. That happens a lot. That happens too much. Boy, that happens too much. And a husband you don't like, too. Both sides. Oh, yeah. That's probably worse. Well, both of them are bad, but it happens a lot. [54:12] lot of people [54:13] Are you gaming one of these, Brian? [54:16] Not yet. Come on, dog. That's insane. That's life. That seems like how you should be playing a game like this. Yeah, in a dark room. Let's talk. Yeah. I mean, but the thing is, I don't think that chair is very comfortable. How dare you? That chair goes upside down. You're laying down, brother. [54:32] There's versions of it you can customize. Oh, shit. How much? Six grand? So wait a minute. This is zero gravity. Watch it. Hit the different images. Look it. It's like that, Brian. Oh, that's crazy. That's what I'm talking about. That's crazy. But what else does it do? Does it massage? Sucks your dick. I mean, 10 grand is wild. A mouth comes out. Just sucks your dick. [54:50] - Mm-hmm. [54:51] Yeah, I'll take that. Can you piss in that thing? Well, it used to be $10,000. It's on sale. They have the one that's also like the bed. Have you seen the bed version? The what? Well, this one does go backwards, right? Show a version of it where it's completely reclined. That's what I was trying to. You got this. There you go. Don't you, Jamie? No, but there's things. Oh, it's a scorpion. Let me show you something else. Hold on. That's pretty wicked.

[55:14] And so you can adjust that, and you can make the screen right in front of your face. Yeah, bro. I'm about to skip four heart treatments and get that chair. [55:27] I'm about to do that motherfucking thing. Oh, wow. That was pretty cool, too. Not quite the same thing. I actually prefer what we're looking at here. Do you? You prefer that to the one that you lie back in front of your face? No, because I don't use a controller. The only games I use a controller with is Madden. [55:44] So you're a mouse and keyboard guy? Yeah, almost exclusively. That's what I am. A little futon. [55:50] I never figured out how to use those things. No, fuck that futon. Listen, who's choosing a futon? If you got the money for a good gaming PC, you better not have no futon. Well, he just went all in on the gaming PC. I mean, no choice, no chance of pussy. It's gotten kind of crazy. [56:10] recently yeah oh yeah did i i never show you check this shit out what you got [56:14] Hold on. Let me make sure. Are there any other ones that do it with an even bigger screen like that? That kind of a deal? Like, what is the ultimate setup for? Like, somebody like Bill Gates. [56:33] 100 and i think it's even i don't know so that that's my shit right there oh you got a dual monitor setup curved monitors to uh super ultra wide that's a problem yeah it's a problem that's a problem yeah it is

[56:50] um, [56:52] I'm going to send this to me. Send it to me and I'll send it to Jamie. Do you have Jamie's number? Yeah, I know. I can send it to Jamie. Send it to Jamie because that image is crazy. We need to show people that image. That's a problem. If I had that, that would be a real problem. Yeah. [57:04] Jamie, do you know what I got to know about it? [57:06] should [57:07] I do. [57:09] My best writing, like when I get the most done on my laptop, [57:12] because... [57:13] I don't ever look at anything else on that laptop. [57:17] The only time I use the internet at all is to [57:20] check things to find out if something's real. And even that I don't use anymore because I use perplexity for that now. I just talk into the phone. But... [57:29] When if you have that much distraction like two monitors like that I'm not would never leave I would just be playing games all it's too fun. I [57:39] It's too much. It's too much sometimes. It is. [57:44] It's a they're a fucking problem man games are a problem. They're so good. You know what it is man is it? It's a it's a dopamine drip look at that look at that set up [57:54] Thank you. [57:54] Bro, what's that thing on the right? [57:57] Um, that is for controlling the sound. [58:02] So so so basically like so say I'm in the I'm in the chat. I'm in the discord chat. [58:08] And, uh... [58:10] and I got a YouTube video playing and I'm in the middle of a game, right? Right. Then, [58:17] I don't... [58:19] I can reach over and turn down the volume of the game so I can hear somebody more clearly or turn up the music.

[58:25] Without having to open up anything on my phone. That's crazy. You are an addict. [58:29] Jamie you don't have that do you? I was going to show you mine he's got a [58:34] I have way more than that. Oh, yeah. No, yeah. Jamie's out of control. I have a soundboard connected into mine so I can fuck with people. Hey, Jamie, can you blur that top thing? Yeah, I will. It's got people's names. Yes, I will. [58:51] Yeah, but I can record live sound when someone's chatting, and I can record their voice and play it back instantly. That's amazing. This is me not streaming. I'm going to start streaming this summer, so I'm going to have to add a couple of things. So you're going to start playing video games and streaming it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can make a lot of money doing that. It's easy money, too. It's crazy, because you're already going to play games, right? I know some people that's like, they don't go on the road because they make so much money doing this. [59:14] Wow, but the problem is How long is that going to last? Going on the road is forever Oh yeah, but you can always do that Yeah, but you might not have an audience anymore You have that audience Oh, that's true But they'll be still stuck on those video games You ever had T-Pain on here? No [59:29] Yeah, T-Pain, he's one of the, like, he don't, [59:32] He's like yo, you gotta you gotta offer me a lot of money because he still goes in the road But it's like you gotta pay him because he makes so he's like why would I leave? Why would I take less money to leave my house just streams? He streams his setup? He's got is fucking crazy. It's insane. Yeah He's like we have one f1 setup. I think he bought six He's got us his whole studios in one room. He's got the racing room over here and [59:55] He's got...

[59:56] I think probably four different rooms for different things. And he'll game or he'll have on guests or he'll just make a song live in front of you. It's just his normal live setup he's got. [1:00:08] He's got F1 setups. He's got multiple screens around there. Oh, that's crazy. So he has a whole room dedicated. Oh, yeah. [1:00:17] Oh, my God. [1:00:18] It's all wired together, too. So when he's streaming, how is he making money? [1:00:23] sponsors, [1:00:24] I think he's definitely a Twitch partner of some kind. Okay. So you – [1:00:29] You get sponsors. How much do you think he's making? Fuck, I couldn't. I mean, if I had to speculate. Yeah, speculate. I would say he's probably pulling in [1:00:40] At least... [1:00:42] A quarter million a month or something like that? Probably more than that. Just playing video games. [1:00:47] just just streaming he don't even have to play video games sometimes he's just talking [1:00:50] That's crazy. Well, there's a lot of that, right? A lot of streamers. There's a lot of political streamers that just talk. There's different people that do different things. They call them IRL streamers. There's nuisance streamers. [1:01:02] Nuisance? Yeah, they just walk around and fuck with people. We got two drip simulators, two circuit racing simulators, and one flight simulator down there. So this is the VR room. [1:01:14] The computer I play on is right here. Step down here. Whoa. It's VR. We got sensors in the room. This is the workshop. It was just a utility room, but I was like, why not put 3D printers in there? This is 3D printers. As you can see, I took a lot of inspiration from Tron.

[1:01:30] That's amazing. And he's married, though. [1:01:34] Yeah, but he's making money. [1:01:37] How's his wife going to complain? You want to go shopping? Listen, lady, this is how we make the money for you to go shopping. You're right. You're right. I mean, she can't complain if that's what you actually earn money at. My wife used to complain about the podcast before it started making money. [1:01:51] Really? Well, she was like, you don't have to do that. I was like, I do. I have to do it. I told people I'd be doing it on Monday at X amount of whatever, whatever time it was. But that's just always how long until you were like, this is making money. Oh, it took years. I didn't even try. I never tried to make any money with it. I always did it for free. I did it for fun. For how many years? [1:02:13] I didn't make money for years. Oh, wow. Zero money. [1:02:17] For years. [1:02:18] I never even thought of it making money. It was just for fun. I would just have everybody come over. Like, Segura would come over. Eddie Bravo would come over. Joey would come over. Duncan. We would just talk shit and just have laughs. It was just for fun. We enjoyed the shit out of it. We had a vaporizer. [1:02:33] This giant bag. The volcano? Yeah, the volcano. Oh, my God. The thing was horrendous. I remember when them things first came out. [1:02:40] They fucked a lot of people's world up. Fucked a lot of people. Fucked our world up. There's a lot of podcasts in the early days that are unlistenable or watchable because we're just obliterated. And I thought I could never get past that. And now they got... [1:02:52] Then people came out with the dabs. Bro, Jelly Roll has this machine. It looks like a robot. It looks like a little Pokemon robot. Wait a minute. A dab machine. Frank Castillo, he's sponsored by those people. Those things are crazy. It's called Peak. The Peak people. You know what I'm about? I don't know if it's a Peak. It's a device. It scared me just looking at it. Can you look up the Peak Pro? It's big like this French press. It's fucking huge. And listen, every time I see Frank, they've come out with a new one.

[1:03:22] pipe is all electronic and it's all for dabs. But every time he visits me, he's like, hey, bro, check this shit out. People like him, there's a reason why weed still isn't legal. [1:03:30] Well, actually, I just raised something today that Trump is making – It's Schedule 3 now. [1:03:36] Oh, it's done. It's done. Weed? Yeah, Weed is scheduled three. [1:03:39] So schedule, first of all, it should be right with alcohol. If you're 21, leave me the fuck alone. What schedule is alcohol? [1:03:48] Alcohol is not scheduled. It's not a prohibitive substance. I don't think alcohol is scheduled like that alcohol for 21 and older is totally legal. So schedule one, which is where weed was, which is so crazy, like the most it has no medicinal benefit, harm addiction. Now, I won't argue addiction, because I don't think I totally understand it the way other people understand it. I think [1:04:14] it's highly genetic. Okay. [1:04:16] I think addiction is very genetic because people keep telling me that cigarettes are addictive and that nicotine is addictive. I recently got off of – [1:04:24] Nicotine patches and I started taking ultra patches. [1:04:27] Do you know what these are? No. Pouches, rather? It's like nootropics. It's like vitamins, like brain vitamins. Is there nicotine in there? No, no, no. No nicotine. And when I started doing it, I was like, okay, I wonder if I'm going to, like, I've been doing it. You want to try one? Here. That one's empty. [1:04:44] I just bought these off of Amazon. But I was like, I've done it before when I went on vacation. Like, I didn't have them at all. And I didn't have any withdrawals.

[1:04:57] It was like two weeks where he was like fucking super tense and yelling at people. No, no, no. Oh, nicotine. Nicotine. Pouches or cigarettes. He got off of all of it. And then I hear – but so my point is – [1:05:09] I think it's a biological thing. I don't think I have the – I get addicted to stuff. I get addicted to doing things. I used to be addicted to video games. I would definitely get addicted again if I started playing. I get addicted to pool. I get addicted to martial arts. I get addicted to doing stuff. I get addicted to archery. But I don't think I get – I probably would if it was like oxys or something like that. I think that's just too strong. That would just get me. [1:05:39] Thank you. [1:05:40] any kind of hard. Well, you quit cigarettes like that. Yeah. But you know what? You know why it was easy? It's because I had a heart attack. Yeah. But the heart attack did it for you. It did. Oh. And I already felt like shit. So I didn't go. I didn't. The withdrawals were nothing. I'm going to send you something, Jamie. This is kind of crazy. But I sent this to Tom Segura. I said, it's time to start smoking again because there's this guy that's making this argument that there's a benefit to smoking as long as you do it with the proper diet, that there's some sort of [1:06:10] benefit to cigarette smoking because one of the things about these blue zones or people like live forever a lot of these people that are like living that are really old they smoke cigarettes yeah that's what tripped me the fuck out like you know every time they every time they go this is the oldest person alive they 109 right they smoke and they ask them they go what's your secret nigga uh smoke i drink fire water and so listen to this smoking is good for them top heart surgeons claim

[1:06:40] surgeon Dr. Stephen Gundry made a claim that's turning everything people thought they knew about smoking upside down. His argument is smoking, specifically nicotine, can have real benefits when paired with the right lifestyle. [1:06:52] At one point, he even says about a patient... [1:06:54] Probably it's because he smoked that he's doing so well. Points to long-living populations where heavy smoking is common. Claims that a part of Sardinia, 95% of men smoke and live longer than the women. Says nicotine acts as a powerful mitochondrial uncoupler. Argues that the damage blamed on smoking can be offset by diet and suggests that we've been looking at it completely backwards. According to him, the real question isn't why smoking harms people. [1:07:24] What we're missing. [1:07:26] So there's a video in here. Listen to him talk about it because it's eight minutes long. Yeah, but just play a little bit of it. [1:07:32] Because it's kind of interesting. [1:07:34] Credit to Dr. Mike on YouTube. [1:07:38] Thank you. [1:07:38] been smoking for 45 years and they're living a healthy life and they say it's because I smoke. [1:07:43] And obviously we laugh about it because we all agree that it's not true. So why did this one case move you so? Actually, let me stop you right there. [1:07:51] Probably it's because he smoked that he's doing so well. [1:07:55] Okay, we need to back up. How do we get there? Well, I have a whole chapter in gut check, looking at the healthiest, longest living people. And one of the unique features of most of the blue zones is that particularly the men are heavy smokers. And the smoking, actually the nicotine in cigarettes is one of the best mitochondrial uncouplers that's ever been discovered.

[1:08:25] Now, what other healthy lifestyle things are these guys doing that's preventing smoking from harming them? [1:08:32] In fact, we should have looked at it the other way. What is it about these people who are smokers that [1:08:38] allows them to live to 105, 110 years old. And when you do that, then you say, okay, smoking was good for them. Why don't we see the oxidative stress [1:08:49] that smoking we all know occurs, why don't we see the cancers in these people? And it's because the rest of their diet facilitates the absorption of the oxidative stress in these guys. So your state is that... [1:09:03] if you smoke but eat in this specific way, you can negate the effects of smoking, the negative effects. Yeah, what's fascinating as a heart surgeon, way back in the good old days, most of our patients were smokers and they had specific proximal lesions in their coronary arteries. The rest of their blood vessels were absolutely gorgeous and they were skinny for the most part. So how did [1:09:33] operate on what other vessels that you saw? Like you would do peripheral arterial disease screenings on those patients. And you would find. I used to operate on. Because one of the number one risk factors for peripheral arterial disease is smoking. [1:09:46] Correct, because the smoking, the oxidative stress, isn't stopped by our current diet.

[1:09:56] Let me give you an example. Okay. Okay. [1:09:58] we're one of the few animals that don't make vitamin C. And vitamin C, and I've written about this. Should we keep going here? [1:10:09] We get it. I mean, he's – I'll just send people to Dr. Mike's YouTube channel for the rest of it, but – [1:10:15] Dr. Mike wasn't having it. [1:10:17] Well, he didn't know. I mean, this guy's the expert. And this guy lays it. And Dr. Mike's open-minded. He's probably... [1:10:23] what he's saying is making sense. It made sense to me. [1:10:26] It's the poor diet. Yeah, that's why I was hoping that video would give me hope. But I'm like, bro, if I could change my diet, I wouldn't have had the heart attack. [1:10:36] You know what I'm saying? Oh, so I'm going to get this perfect diet so I can smoke. Nah. Nah. [1:10:40] I don't think it's a perfect diet. I think you just got to move to Italy. But whenever I go there on vacation, I'm like, why am I trying so hard? [1:10:49] What am I doing? How come I'm not just chilling? Well, you know, that's the thing about Italy is they have a... [1:10:54] They have a culture of Chile. Yeah. Their culture, I forget what they call it, but is it siesta? No, that's Mexicans. [1:11:02] They call it like that nap they take during the middle of the day? Yeah, that's only, no, no, no. It's a Spanish thing, too. [1:11:08] Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I didn't know they did it in Mexico. Well, obviously it's a Spanish word, right? Yeah, I didn't know they did it in Mexico. Yeah, it's a Mexican thing. The Spanish are like, nah. Middle of the afternoon, everybody napping. Yeah, my friend went to the Ferrari factory in Italy. And he said, dude, it's hilarious. He goes, they barely work. He goes, the reason why it takes so long to get a Ferrari. He goes, these motherfuckers are just chilling. He goes, they take these big long. Oh, it was Lamborghini. Yeah, he said they take these big long breaks for lunch.

[1:11:38] and they drink wine and they lay down. They take a couple hours for lunch and they work a few more hours and then they go home. They got to figure it out. Well, I think we work too much, you know. [1:11:49] and this is coming from someone who works too much, but I work too much at things I love. [1:11:54] It's a different thing, I think, than most people. Most people are working too much at something that's just making the money, and they're probably stressed out all the time and don't enjoy it. But I think if you are working less and just having more enjoyment in life, what are we here for? See, that's why I think subconsciously that's why I've been avoiding streaming. I've been talking about it for years because I'm like, if I start making money from streaming. Right, and then it becomes a job. Bro, I'm going to be like that. You know that fat kid in the chair in Wally? You ever see that movie? Yeah. [1:12:24] I'm a transform into that [1:12:30] Millions of dollars just eating and laying there and no exercise at all. Oh, yeah Well, the more you stream the more you make right so there's people that stream more than eight hours a day, don't they? I mean theoretically, yeah But some people stream a lot. They don't make shit [1:12:46] Thank you. [1:12:47] Yeah, but that's also podcasting. There's a lot of people that are doing podcasts that aren't making any money. Yeah, but you've got to stream to make money. You've got to be on. Yeah, but it's a very specific type of audience, too, though. It's people that are watching streams. Very different audience than who's watching podcasts, I would imagine. It's hard to say. [1:13:07] Yeah, it's hard to say, because I think I don't know if those there's probably a lot of overlap in those audiences. This episode is brought to you by Dodge. The new Dodge Charger scat pack is built for people who still believe driving should be exciting. You want to talk about performance?

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[1:15:11] So I don't – what we were talking about before with the smoking, I don't think smoking is good for your lungs. I think it's bad for your lungs because everybody I know that quit smoking, they say their cardio gets better. This stuff – that interview you shared came out two years ago. [1:15:26] Oh, did it? And there was some controversy around it. Well, clearly. What is a blue zone? [1:15:31] It's places where people live longer. Oh, okay. Okay, so here it says, key details regarding Dr. Gundry's statements. Controversial claims. In a conversation with Dr. Mike, Gundry suggested smoking could be linked to longer life, observing that some long-lived individuals in blue zone smoke. Mechanism theory. Gundry argues that nicotine functions as a mitochondrial uncoupler and that a high polyphenol diet may mitigate the negative effects of cigarette smoke. Criticism. [1:16:01] leading cause of premature death and that any potential benefits are far outweighed by risks. Right, but they're not taking into consideration what he said about food. Despite the headlines, Gunley stated he does not smoke and does not encourage others to do so. So he's just a scientist relaying research. Yeah, so what are the critics strongly disagreeing with? They're not making any sense because they're disagreeing, but they're not addressing what he's saying in terms of the high polyphenol diet mitigating the negative effects of smoking. [1:16:31] observed. This is what I think in my years of trying and using nicotine. I think there's something to nicotine. The reason why I am backing off of it is it fucks up my pool game.

[1:16:43] Really? Yeah. Nicotine gives you a lot of energy. And I think like these like these Alps, these are like six milligrams. And then there's Lucy's. I have Lucy's that are 12. But you put them in your mouth like you're sucking on a battery. It's like it's so strong. It's ridiculous. They make you jittery and jittery is not good for pool. Pool is a chill game. Pool is like you're concentrating, but you want to be completely calm when you're stroking the ball like your hand. You're barely holding on to that cue. [1:17:13] little baby bird. You know, it's very calm. You don't want to be like, you know, so a lot of people stop drinking coffee because they play pool. Yeah. But [1:17:23] Nicotine in particular, which is interesting because I know a lot of people who smoke cigarettes who play really well. Maybe it's a different feeling. [1:17:31] in terms of like how it affects your body, then... [1:17:35] Oh, see, that's a good question. How much nicotine is in a cigarette versus like one of these Alp pouches? These Alp pouches is Tucker Carlson's company. It's probably also has to do with like your level of addiction. Like some people are. [1:17:50] Fully yeah they some people smoke all day cigarettes just to be back to zero John Mellencamp he was in here that dude just that was like one of the big things like can I smoke during the podcast like absolutely no worries I go we got a fan. [1:18:02] We smoke cigars all the time. So he just chain smoked the entire podcast. And he said, find what you love and let it kill you. [1:18:09] That's what he said about cigarettes smoking. Oh, yeah. That's a... Who's that quote from? I don't know. Typical nicotine amounts. Okay.

[1:18:17] Standard factory-made cigarette usually contains about 10 to 14 milligrams of nicotine in tobacco, which an average smoker absorbs around 1 to 2 milligrams when smoking it. Nicotine pouches are sold in strengths that commonly range from 2 milligrams up to 12 or more of nicotine per pouch. CDC notes that they can contain high levels of nicotine. [1:18:38] Pouches with 6 mg nicotine or less were most common, but higher strength 8 mg pouches have been growing quickly. [1:18:49] Addicted. Cigarettes deliver nicotine to the brain very fast within 10 to 20 seconds after inhalation, which makes them highly reinforcing and strongly addictive. Pouches release nicotine through the lining of the mouth, so the rise in blood nicotine is slower and more prolonged compared with a cigarette hit. Though total absorbed dose over 20 to 60 minutes can be similar depending on strength or how long the pouch is used. [1:19:19] minutes. He's popping six milligrams like every 10 minutes. [1:19:22] Combustible cigarettes are clearly more harmful overall because smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals, many toxic and carcinogenic, whereas pouches avoid combustion but still expose you to an addictive drug with cardiovascular effects. That's why I'm convinced that people that do all the other forms of nicotine are way more addicted than smokers are. Well, I'll tell you one thing that I felt was the most addictive version of it that I tried was vaping.

[1:19:48] Thank you. [1:19:48] those like Escobar things. Those, those are weird. Here's another weird thing about those vaping ones. [1:19:55] The only good hit is the first hit. [1:19:58] Maybe the second of the day. Have you seen how vapors act when they can't find their vape? Oh, they freak out. It is. They get sketchy. It's crazy. They get crazy. I was in D.C. last year. [1:20:12] and [1:20:14] I popped in on this comedy spot and I and I go and I go to the bathroom and there's a vape sitting on the sink like somebody put a vape there to wash their hands or something. And I go out to the bar. [1:20:28] And I remember all the comics. I remember I bought the comics. The comics are at the bar waiting to go up, and I bought a round for the comics. And one of them was like, oh, thanks, man. Got up, went to the bathroom, came back, sat next to his friend. He was like, oh, bro, I found this vape in there. And they both hit this vape. So he took a vape out the bathroom. That somebody else was just sucking on. Some guy who could have been eating ass just 20 minutes ago. Also, it was on the sink in the back, in the men's room, at a comedy club. That's crazy. Hey, I found it. [1:20:58] of it. That's crazy. It would be tough if that was my vape and I set it on the counter. That's probably what happened. Somebody set it there out of reflex and was like, I don't want that shit. It's right here with all this filthy... Maybe. Or maybe they're like, I gotta leave this thing here. This men's room sink water? [1:21:14] nah you could keep that you could keep these guys are just sucking on it at the bar but i guess if you dip it in whiskey to be all right just dip it in your glass before you take a hit bro you could just wait till you could just wait till you get to your vape because it's not like you got one the the first hit is the only one that's good the first hit is like euphoric the first hit of a like

[1:21:39] oh yeah everything's amazing but that you don't get that with a second hit it doesn't like maintain after a while you're just taking hits and you just feel nervous like this is terrible this doesn't feel good but it's the first hit the first hit's wonderful oh yeah you know how many you know how many vapors i've had to curse out because they unplug my phone they're like yo what yo you was at 30 percent like what the fuck is wrong with you i need it [1:22:09] I see people hit him all the time and they hit him like a fiend. And you know, the worst thing is the people that they try to start vaping. [1:22:18] Like to replace smoking Did he just end up doing both? Well, I think the vaping is more addictive than smoking. Oh, yeah, cuz you can you know why it's cuz one like you said I think the [1:22:30] You're getting delivered more nicotine than a smoker will get. Even though... [1:22:34] Smoking has other bad shit that you're putting in you, but in terms of addiction is what I'm saying. I'm not saying vaping is worse for you, but you're getting more nicotine and you can vape in places you can't smoke. And on top of that, you're getting all these weird oils and chemicals and stuff in there that aren't good for you. But you can vape anytime. Right. You can vape. But you know, people are getting these new diseases like popcorn lung. Have you heard of that? I heard of that, but I ain't heard of nobody that got it. [1:23:04] like [1:23:05] you know, it's one of those like, what do you call them? Urban myths. There's a kid that I knew back in California. He was one of the...

[1:23:14] one of the people in our neighborhood's child and he was 19 and he was in college and he was vaping like crazy he was vaping all day long and he got pneumonia and wound up dying and they connected it to the vape like he had destroyed his lungs the kids are damaging their lungs you know i think that started back when you remember when some people have like the adjustable ones where like you where like oh the big ones yeah the crazy ones because now the popular ones are like the disposable ones adam curry has one of them big jammies one of them big rigs i think a lunch [1:23:44] people were going crazy back then like in the beginning of it when the [1:23:47] When nobody knew a lot. The real vapors, man, they still go crazy. But they're doing it themselves. They think it's healthier. They're getting their own nicotine drops. They're putting it in the thing, and they're putting their own oil. They're using MCT oil because it's healthy. This organic poison. Yeah. Whereas if you're getting it from a factory in China... [1:24:07] Or Vietnam. Have you ever seen that one, there's one video of a dude who has to test every vape when it comes out of the factory? With his mouth? With his mouth. The ones you get have already been sucked on. So this dude is just sucked, in Vietnam, just, I don't know where he is. He might be in Laos. He's just sucking, just wherever this vape factory is, this dude's just sucking on this vape over and over and over again. Everybody's vape, he sucks on once to make sure it's good before he sends it out. Bro, we're doomed. So this guy's got, what is his dose of caffeine in a day? [1:24:37] It must be off the charts. Yeah, so that's the other thing. I think the vapors are more addictive because they get more nicotine. They just get to do it. They just do it all the time. Yes, you could definitely do it. But I'm telling you, it's like...

[1:24:48] You don't get the good feeling. [1:24:50] Like it's weird. It's weird. Like a cigar, like the relaxation, the good nicotine feeling of a cigar. You get that like every time you take a hit out of a cigar. That's not the case with a vape, at least not for me. Look at this dude. He's sucking on every one of these. Checking them out. Look. [1:25:07] That's nuts. [1:25:08] They've got to make sure they're good. [1:25:10] Like, how vaped out is this cat? [1:25:13] That's probably how that's probably what he gets paid and just vapes just smoke. [1:25:21] I mean, how many fucking thousands of vapes is this kid sucking on in a day? How many do you test in a day, he says. Oh. [1:25:28] around 7,000 to 8,000 tests per day. Jesus Christ. Does that dude sleep at all? [1:25:35] He probably dreams in horrible black and white lightning bolts. He also smokes after work. Oh, my God. [1:25:45] Someone should see how long that guy lives. Bro, that boy's honor is done. Yeah, he's not in the blue zone. That's fucked. Oh, bro. [1:25:53] look in a popcorn lung? Yeah. Yeah. [1:25:56] It's older. It's developed according to this. [1:26:00] It came around 2000 when people at an actual popcorn factory were exposed to a chemical that was causing – What? [1:26:08] called broncholitis obliterans. Bro, look at this. It's first recognized from clusters of workers at a microwave popcorn factory exposed to the butter-flavoring chemical diacetyl.

[1:26:20] Wow. I thought it made your lungs look like popcorn. This is saying it's super rare outside of that, actually, though. [1:26:29] Uh, cancer researchers UK states that there have been no confirmed cases of popcorn lung specifically caused by e-cigarettes, although some older e-liquids contain diacetyl before regulations tightened. Do you think that's like big tobacco trying to scare people away from vapes? No, no, no. I think they invested in that shit. Yeah, but if they don't. [1:26:49] What if it's like some companies maybe don't, and they're worried that these cheap vapes... Well, there's only three companies. [1:26:56] The big tobacco is really big tobacco. So it's R.J. Reynolds. What are the other ones? [1:27:01] Philip Morris or is it Philip Morris? And then there's an overseas one. Maybe there's four companies. Who's making the American Spirits? [1:27:09] Yeah. [1:27:10] It's the same people. It's the same people? There's only three or four big tobacco companies. This lady, Suzanne Humphreys, who's a doctor, she was making the argument that [1:27:19] Those cigarettes are probably not even that bad for you. And they own – and they see the writing on the wall. Like they own all the patch companies. They own that shit too. Of course. Of course. Why wouldn't they? Because the writing's on the wall. They were talking about it in Canada, and now I think they're trying to do it in the UK where basically like people of a certain age will never be able to buy cigarettes. Yeah. I think they're doing that in Canada right now. They're definitely doing that in the UK. That's right.

[1:27:49] and addictive-free tobacco, studies show they contain similar levels of toxic, cancer-causing chemicals as other brands. Research suggests they may even be more addictive due to higher nicotine levels. [1:28:01] No reduced harm, no evidence of the absence of additives makes cigarette smokes less harmful, but [1:28:06] On high nicotine addiction, studies have found that many varieties have higher nicotine yields compared to other popular brands suggesting higher addictiveness. Misleading marketing. FDA previously required the manufacturers to stop using natural and additive free in marketing as these terms falsely implied lower risk. Why does that imply lower risk if you say additive free? [1:28:29] Consumer misconception. 64% of American spirit smokers incorrectly believe they're less harmful, often because of their natural branding. This lady, this doctor was making that argument. She was saying the chemicals that they add to cigarettes that make them more addictive. Like, remember that Russell Crowe movie, The Insider? Remember that movie? [1:28:48] Good movie. It's about a guy who is a – a true story – about a guy who's a doctor who works at – [1:28:55] a tobacco company that makes cigarettes. And he's specifically formulating these chemicals in order to make people way more addicted. And then he has to go to court and they try to kill him. It's like, you know. [1:29:05] big kind of whistleblower type drama. But, uh, [1:29:10] That was the premise of that film, which is also based on real life. And what she's saying is that those chemicals that make you more addictive are probably much more dangerous and that just the actual tobacco itself is probably not as dangerous.

[1:29:24] She wasn't definitively stating this. She was just saying that most likely... [1:29:28] They're probably safer for you. Well, the American spirit ones also, you smoke less because they take forever to smoke. [1:29:36] It's like every time I was smoking around an American spirit smoker, you'll see a damn three-quarters of a cigarette left in the ashtray. Do you think that those... [1:29:45] Like Marlboros and shit like that, like they smoke quicker on purpose so that you smoke more of them? I think they're – Probably gunpowder. Something they add to them, make them – Make a bird faster? Because that's the thing with American Spirit. You sit it down, it'll go out. Right. But if I was the light of Marlboro and sit it down there, it would burn all the way up. Right. I think they do that so you waste cigarettes. That makes sense. Oh, yeah, for sure. That makes sense. Yeah, because they probably calculate over time how much money that would be. [1:30:15] way like that is why there are 20 packs in a cigarette 20 cigarettes in a pack is because they they discovered [1:30:24] that's exactly how many you needed to smoke as much as possible in one day. [1:30:28] Like in terms of how long it's in your system, when you start getting another craving, you can smoke. Well, that's crazy because some people smoke two packs a day, three packs a day. Yeah, those people are like, oh. Animals. [1:30:39] How are they alive? I don't know, but I was getting close. Where were you at? I was at a little over, like I was at [1:30:47] a little over a pack a day where I would smoke a whole, I would go through a whole pack, [1:30:51] And then tip into the next bag. And then dip into the next bag. Yeah. Hmm. It makes sense that they would buy patches. Why wouldn't they? And why wouldn't they buy up the companies that have alternatives like gum, Nicorette, all that shit? Years ago, the VA tried to get me to quit, and they prescribed me the patches.

[1:31:08] Yeah. But... [1:31:10] Like you like this like I said, it's like this there's 12 to 14 milligrams in a cigarette, but you only end up getting one or two Right, but the patch is five to lowest the lowest step of the patch is five and do you feel it? Yeah? You you have crazy fucking dreams, too. Whoa you put one of them patches on before you go to bed you won't fuck you gonna have a fucking crazy dream and now you're more addicted and [1:31:33] Oh, right. Because because you're not used to getting five. Now you're getting five all night. You wake up like, oh, shit. You're not getting you're not used to getting nicotine all night. Ron White used to wear a patch and smoke all day. Yeah. That's what I was about to tell you. He's like everybody I knew that got on the patches was patching and smoking. Yeah. Ron was patching and smoking. And then one hypnotism session quit everything. Cold turkey. Yep. That's weird because he don't seem very suggestible. I know. [1:32:00] Right? Yeah. I mean, I don't think I've ever seen him change his mind about nothing. About nothing. All the arguments that he's had with Tony in the green room. I live for that shit. [1:32:10] I live for those moments. Those are hilarious. Ron digs his heels in. As soon as I hear Ron go, whip, whip. Yeah. Well, that's not my experience. Yeah. He was wearing the patch and he was smoking those little cigars. You know those little cigars? He was smoking them like cigarettes. [1:32:29] You're supposed to not inhale those little suckers. Like those little suckers have way more nicotine. [1:32:34] You know those little tiny Monte Cristos? Oh, yeah. Those little things? You're supposed to smoke those like a cigar.

[1:32:39] Like when I smoke them, I try to smoke them like a cigar. You hold it in your mouth. It's a tiny cigar. You can't tell these Texas gentlemen not to smoke nothing. Well, Ron has got amazing willpower because he got off the alcohol and just done. Never touched it again. Got off the cigarettes, done. Never touched them again. [1:32:59] Yeah, I love that guy. He's the best. [1:33:02] He's the best. But it's like that ability to turn something off like that. [1:33:06] The amount of – how much money? Let's look into that. How much money is in the nicotine business overall in America? It's probably way more now with pouches and vapes on top of cigarettes. I think it's less now. But the cigarettes have probably been less. But now so many people are on the pouches and so many people are vaping. [1:33:36] they keep getting bought. Right. Right. Because people are smoking less. Like the kids are smoking way less. Cigarettes. Way less cigarettes. And they don't vape as much as we think. But I think there are a lot of them are on the Zins. A lot of them are on pouches. Let's guess. What do you think the overall industry of cigarettes or nicotine, nicotine products in America, the collective amount of money that nicotine products in America generate every year? I'm going to say $10 billion. [1:34:06] Yeah, that sounds about right. [1:34:08] It's less than $10 billion. For the whole country, I'll say $6 billion because there's 350 million people plus Mexicans. That's just for the oral nicotine.

[1:34:21] Is how much? Six. [1:34:22] Whoa. Cigarettes is... [1:34:25] way higher. [1:34:26] What is cigarettes? 76 billion? Billion. Oh, shit. [1:34:32] That's more than sports. Bro, that's crazy. That's more than football. That's crazy. It's cigarettes and traditional tobacco, which would include cigars and, like, the, speaking of which, and stuff. Okay, but what was it 20 years ago? [1:34:48] It doesn't have 20 years ago from what I look, but it has grown. It's growing slowly every year. [1:34:55] It's a total of $100 billion when you include everything together. That's crazy. But it isn't really crazy because it's one of the legal and socially acceptable drugs to be on. [1:35:08] Nicotine. Yeah, you can smoke it because you can't even drink at work. Especially if you use pouches now. Everybody's using pouches. They're predicting the pouches are going to go from around $4 billion to $6 billion now. And by 2030, so it's only five to six years from now, could get up to $50 billion. [1:35:26] This episode is brought to you by SimpliSafe. One thing you probably don't think about when you're planning the perfect summer getaway is protecting your home. But if disaster strikes, you want to be prepared. Even better, if it can be stopped before it happens. So check out SimpliSafe. They're the smarter option when it comes to home security because their systems help prevent and stop crime in real time before it starts. There's also no long-term contracts and no technician appointments.

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[1:37:26] slash J-R-E for 30% off. Terms apply. [1:37:31] Well, here's the thing. They have nootropic benefits. Like they do enhance your cognitive performance. Nicotine does. [1:37:39] And there's a lot of people that swear by them, like for creativity and stuff. One of the things that Stephen King talked about in that book on writing – [1:37:48] was that one of his biggest... [1:37:51] bumps in the road with his writing career is when he quit smoking. [1:37:54] He's had a really hard time getting his synapses to fire the same way. It was really noticeable. [1:38:01] The difference in quitting nicotine. [1:38:04] But then again, his best shit he wrote when he was on Coke. He was doing Coke and drinking beer. Yeah. And he wrote his best, craziest shit when he was doing that. No, but I'm going to be honest about that, though. [1:38:15] I do feel less creative. [1:38:19] Or less... Not less creative, but less... [1:38:25] I don't know. It does feel like it feels like my brain where it's working different. What about cigars? You ever thought about cigars or you just like think it's too much of a gateway? Yeah. [1:38:34] Yeah, I will be right back on it. [1:38:36] I'll be right back on it. [1:38:38] Can we get some... Are there nicotine drops, Jamie? You can just shoot it into your fucking eyeballs. You fuck with the pouches at all? Or do you worry that the pouches will bring you closer to the cigarettes? No, but I've never fucked with the pouches. I don't know. You want to try one? Aren't I trying one? Oh, this doesn't have nicotine in it. That is no nicotine. That's an ultra pouch. [1:38:55] don't do it no no no maybe the gum maybe I'll try the gum yeah I've tried the gum

[1:39:03] Oh, I probably just did that. How's that? [1:39:04] I like pouches better. [1:39:07] It's interesting that like – [1:39:09] they would [1:39:10] Probably – I wonder how much money is spent – [1:39:13] Okay, what is the patch? What's the patch worth? How much does that generate? You know what's wild? They were trying to give me nicotine in the hospital. For what? Because they knew I was a smoker. And they were like, you don't... [1:39:25] You don't want any? I was like, no. [1:39:27] How were they trying to give it to you? In what way? I don't know if it was a pouch or a gum. But... They have mints, too. But it had been prescribed to me, and it was just sitting there. And they... [1:39:35] You know, and every time a shift change, somebody would run me, hey, so you know you got some shits already. I was like, no, I'm okay. [1:39:42] Somebody sent me some nicotine mints, and they made me nervous. Like, I didn't like them. They made me feel uncomfortable. Okay, nicotine patches are a tiny slice of the nicotine economy. The U.S. they amount to at most a few hundred million dollars per year. [1:39:55] versus tens of billions for cigarettes and other nicotine products. Yeah, but you know what? The reason they still invest in them is because every time you try to quit and you use the pouches, when you come back, you're more addicted. Right, right. So it's just a cycle. Yeah, it's insurance that you'll get back on the cigarettes. Yeah, because I bet you they probably don't track how many people – [1:40:15] What's so funny, Janet? Nicotine replacement. [1:40:18] Therapy? Therapy. The global nicotine replacement therapy market, patches, gum, lozenges, et cetera, is around $3.1 billion. [1:40:25] Therapy. Just reading that in this room sounds like a weird conspiracy or something like that. Predicted to reach 4.7 billion U.S. dollars by 2034.

[1:40:35] But it makes sense that they would invest in that. [1:40:41] Why wouldn't they? It's like if they're smart business people. [1:40:44] You know? [1:40:44] Yeah. [1:40:55] kidnapped. Oh, they found out who it was. Yeah, they caught the dude. Oh, no. Yeah, he made four, I believe he made $400,000 and he tried to cover his tracks. Oh, I thought it was like Trump's son or something. People thought it was Don Jr. Well, who knows what they've done. Oh, yeah. I mean, they're probably not looking at them the same way they're looking at these special forces. Boy, Trump don't leave no crumbs on the table. [1:41:19] He's like, I need all this bread. I'm on the way out. I still need this bread. Yeah, I mean, think about that. [1:41:23] The coin, the Trump coin. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy. It's legal, but it's Melania coin. If you're buying any celebrity's coins, you deserve to lose your money. [1:41:37] But I think what Metzger explained to me, he goes, these are gambling addicts. They're gambling. He goes, they know that it's going to crash. No one's under any illusion that this is going to last forever. They try to get in and get out and make money while they're doing it. It's like they just figure out when to buy and when to sell. [1:41:53] Thank you. [1:41:54] Those are the suckers Those are who you're getting money from It's the ones that think it [1:41:59] You could look at it that way or you could look at it as this is an effective way to pay people off.

[1:42:06] Legally. So here's the thing. I'm not accusing anybody of doing this, but I'm saying, let's say if I started a JRE coin. [1:42:12] And maybe some Middle Eastern government decided they were going to invest $500 million in a JRE coin. And then I announced the JRE coin. They put in the money to back this JRE coin. I get a substantial stake in the JRE coin, so I get a bunch of JRE coins. And then I just dump all my JRE coins, and then I get all that money. And then it goes from being worth X amount of dollars to being worth almost nothing. Is that the pump and dump? That's the pump and dump. Oh, yeah. [1:42:42] Yeah, so that would be a way I'd pay you. So like say maybe if you and I had some sort of a deal that was a little shady, and I said, Brian, how about this? I can't pay you outright, but what I can do is why don't you start a crypto coin, and I will invest in your crypto coin, which is a very legal venture. And I will put in $100 million into your crypto coin. And so now your crypto coin, a bunch of people will also throw money in because there's $100 million in it, and they know that it's going to pump it up, it's going to happen. [1:43:10] like the real clever fuckers. And then you just get out. So you get out as soon as it hits the peak, like you get it set up so that like maybe peaks in 24 hours or whatever the fuck it is. Like, let's like, let's again, we're not accusing anybody of anything. But let's look at. Nor are we taking notes. [1:43:29] Let's look at Trump coin. How much was Trump coin worth like right now? [1:43:34] After it came out versus five days later.

[1:43:39] So somewhere that money has to go somewhere. And so if I invested in Brian Simpson coin and then that money got to the coin it was worth – I don't know what a coin is worth. I don't know what it's worth. But let's just say it got to its peak and then you sell and you just dump all your coins. And so you just rake in a big pile of money, millions and millions of dollars, and everybody else is like – [1:44:05] The people that were dummies, they don't get anything. And then me, I didn't expect to get any money. I'm just trying to bribe you. [1:44:13] I'm trying to pay you off. Well, the thing is... [1:44:15] Does that make sense? Oh, yeah. The thing is, America is like three-quarters scams. [1:44:21] A lot of scams. And some people sit around complaining about the scams instead of getting in on them. Did you hear what Dr. Oz said? [1:44:26] Dr. Oz works for the government now. [1:44:32] California has a big hostel scam going on. You know how Minneapolis and Minnesota had the daycare scam? California has a bunch of fake hostels. [1:44:42] Where they're taking care of people. [1:44:43] That's what it is, right? [1:44:44] So they shut funding down to 400 of them. [1:44:49] Not one of them complained. [1:44:51] They're just like, "Well, see ya." And so it's his assertion that that's because they were all scams. So that Nick Shirley guy, the same guy that investigated the fraud in Minneapolis, he's investigated some of the fraud in California. And one of the things that they found in some of his videos is like a lot of these businesses are registered to like a hotel. And like every room in this vacant hotel is a different office.

[1:45:17] for whatever company. [1:45:18] And so each room in the hotel is raking in money as an office that's supposed to be working as a hostel or as some sort of a rehab center or fill in the blank. [1:45:32] They have all these learning centers, all these different kinds of things. And it's all just government scams, Medicaid scams. [1:45:38] Yeah, get in on the scam. [1:45:40] Get in on the scam. Scamming is the American way. Looking at it, how you asked, isn't the best way to look at this? Here's what it said. Of course not. I'll show you what it says after this, though. Okay. Trump's official Trump meme coin launched at around one U.S. dollar, range reported roughly 0.18 to 1.20. And within about five days, it had crashed down from a brief spike near 70 to 75 U.S. dollars down to a high of 30s per coin. [1:46:10] within five days. So it spiked at 75, then it dropped down to 30. Different data provides slightly different start points, but they are in the same general zone. Crypto Analytics notes Trump was launched on January 17, 2025, initially worth 18 cents per token. So everybody buys in when that happens. [1:46:30] Other coverage in exchange posts describe trading beginning around $1 or about $1 within the first hours after launch. [1:46:38] So reasonable takeaways launch price is 0.2 to 1.0 US dollars per Trump, depending on which exact tick you chose. So within first hours after launch, the price skyrocketed from around $1.00.

[1:46:53] to around 75 U.S. dollars. [1:46:56] So that's when you want to get out, within the first hours. Reports the same weekend cite highs near 70 to 75 U.S. dollars and a market cap over 10 to 12 billion. [1:47:07] A finance report on days after launch, trading started around $7 U.S. on Friday, jumped as high as $74 on Sunday. So that's when you're supposed to get out. So let me ask this. What is it worth now? [1:47:19] That's like $2 now. [1:47:20] Interesting. So it got as high as $74. Well, now you got to hold on to it. [1:47:26] Now you're fucked, just in case. There's a little bit more. It's like there's more into it because it's not the easiest coin to get, and how do you get it, and all those kinds of things come into play. And that's kind of what I think this sentence is more about. [1:47:38] Right, but if it went to 75 – [1:47:40] Somebody must have made a ton of loot, right? Had to. Yeah, that's what it says. 800,000 wallets, which could be people. Collectively lost around $2 billion while the Trump Organization and partners profited heavily from fees. [1:47:56] Interesting. So this is the thing. That's just that one. What is the worst pump and dump in crypto coin history? Let's look at that. Let's find out. Sam Bank from Creed? That's it. I think it was him. Well, I think what he was doing, he said that if he was left alone, he would have recovered the debt. [1:48:15] And that he had been doing this back and forth. They just caught him in a moment where this one guy sold all his coins off to try to crash him on purpose like his rival. And then he didn't have the money to cover the spread. And then people wanted their money out. And then they realized. But he had been – they all do that apparently. It was what his – I don't know. But that's what his argument was, I believe, is that I think he said that if he was not – that they didn't interfere with him.

[1:48:43] Not only would those coins have gotten the money back, but they would be profitable today. See, I have friends that have profited from it. [1:48:51] But when I hear them talk about it, it's like, I just don't quite understand it fully. I feel exactly. And I can't put my money in some shit that I can't articulate how I can make money. I can't do it. Yeah. Not only do I not. [1:49:05] understand it. I don't trust it. It sounds crazy to me. The people that try to talk you into it, they freak me out. [1:49:13] A lot of times they just... There's a new scam. Somebody in my family is getting caught up with these fucking scammers. But they're finding... [1:49:21] elderly, it's like going through the elderly community, a new Ponzi pyramid, Ponzi scheme. Basically, they're telling these old folks, [1:49:30] that [1:49:31] that they are joining a crypto exchange. [1:49:35] But the crypto isn't real. [1:49:37] So they download they down they have they download this app and they tell them all you got to do is get up every morning and make these trades and you make you make. [1:49:46] this much percentage. [1:49:48] of your money back. And so, and they go, and you know what? And just so you know, it's not a scam. [1:49:53] I'm gonna put in a grand for you. I'm gonna put in two, five, I put in five grand for you. But you don't realize that money's fake too. You download the app, [1:50:00] They can show you how much money you want. But you can't get that money out. So here's how they get you. So they get you either way. So if you do... [1:50:08] The ultimate plan is to lull you into going... [1:50:12] Like they want you to look, they want you to log on every day and see that number going up and go, oh, shit, I'm gonna put my money in there so I can make even more money.

[1:50:20] Right. That's the ultimate plan. [1:50:22] But even if you got suspicious... [1:50:26] And you're like, I want to take my money out. Well, they go, okay, we'll just send us an early withdrawal fee. [1:50:31] So they only get a little bit of money out of you, but they still get real money out of you for no money Mmm, and even if you end up getting so suspicious that you won't even do that. Well, they are [1:50:40] they got you to download this app on your phone. And so they got your information. - Oh yeah. - Most people use the same login credentials across apps, so you done gave them that as well. [1:50:49] Right. You know, they got your email address. They can sell that. And they have your security questions so they know your first dog's name and shit like that. So it's like at the very least they get in the way with your info. Right. Or some of your real money, you know. And a lot of old folks, they hear crypto and they don't really understand it. [1:51:08] So it's easy to convince them that, oh, it's just something I don't understand, but this app makes it easy for me. Isn't it crazy that the polymarket thing for this special forces soldier, that he's going to jail for this? [1:51:21] But Congress is allowed to insider trade. Oh, bro, bro. And that's kind of crazy because you can't be sure that the mission to try to overthrow Maduro is going to be successful. [1:51:34] Right? [1:51:35] So if they're trying to overthrow Maduro, that's a military operation. They're not always successful. So if he's gambling on a military operation that he's about to embark in, he's kind of betting on his own... [1:51:47] life well I think what they're getting him for is more that he endangered the mission

[1:51:54] Really? Because I seem... Is that what they're saying? Yeah, because you're... [1:52:00] Because if we're supposed to keep our military movements a secret... [1:52:04] and [1:52:06] it gets out there that someone keeps on predicting when we're going to make certain movements, then our enemies will be watching Polymarket for when people bet on. That actually makes sense. Right. Is that really the case, Jamie? What is he in trouble for? [1:52:18] I mean, I'm reading through the justice.gov thing. What Brian was saying started to make sense off of here, but at the bottom it says the actual charges, and the charges are – [1:52:28] Three counts of violating the Commodity Exchange Act each, which carries a maximum of 10 years. One count of wire fraud, which is a 20-year max. Yeah. [1:52:36] One kind of unlawful monetary transaction, which is a 10-year max... [1:52:42] And what's the other one? [1:52:45] Well, that's only two, but it says there's three. [1:52:48] Mm. [1:52:49] That's crazy because like [1:52:51] Thank you. [1:52:52] How come no one in Congress ever gets in trouble? [1:52:55] They do sometimes. I don't know. When they don't vote correctly. No, like every year somebody goes down. Yeah, but not insider trading. They get busted for other shit. Yeah, you're right for like taking bribes and stuff. Yeah. Has anybody ever been busted Congress-wise for insider trading on stocks? [1:53:09] Thank you. [1:53:09] I don't think so. [1:53:10] If I guess there was another controversy recently, they're accusing Fetterman of doing it. But the type of shit the average person goes to jail. Oh, my God. What? You want to talk about something that'll piss you off about somebody going to jail? Yeah. This guy in Florida, what was his name? Yeah, a few people have for sure. Really? Congress people for insider trading? Yeah, even recently.

[1:53:30] That's crazy. It says rep from New York, Chris Collins, pled guilty in 2019 to insider trading and lying after tipping his son about a failed drug trial, 26 months in prison, T-Mobile stock purchase. Definitely no senators, though. Well, these are people that nobody knows. Look at these people. This ain't Nancy Pelosi. 2020 scandal. [1:53:52] So occasionally, COVID. No powerful people are going to prison for that shit. Martha Stewart's the most powerful person that ever went to jail. [1:54:00] to go to jail for that. She went to jail for lying. 78 members have been arrested. Not arrested, but all violated the Stock Act. Interesting, which requires reporting financial trades within 45 days. Maybe that's just because they tried to hide it and everybody else is just like, oh, I just made a good bet. They're saying just in this Congress. In April, three candidates were fined by Kalshi for allegedly [1:54:23] uh... [1:54:24] Whatever. Political insider trading by betting on their own races. But wait a minute. [1:54:29] You can't bet on your own race? That seems crazy. If you think you're going to win, you don't know if you're going to win. No one knows. But you're probably the first one to know which way it's going to go. [1:54:39] I don't know about that. I don't think those polls are ever correct. [1:54:45] Man, that's not true. They must be somewhat correct. They were suspended from Calci. So I don't know. So check this shit out. This is going to get under your skin. So this dude, Michael Martin in Florida. [1:54:57] He... [1:54:59] He made an addition to his house, a million dollar addition to his house.

[1:55:04] It got approved by the city and everything. [1:55:06] Thank you. [1:55:07] And after he put it up, [1:55:10] His neighbors. [1:55:12] complained. They went and dug up some like hundred year old statue [1:55:17] and complain, right? So they take them to court. [1:55:22] And his argument is, well, it got approved by the city. [1:55:25] Like, that's why I built it. Right. So fuck them. But he but he compromised already. He compromised and he he put up a thing to block his view. [1:55:35] So it wouldn't bother them. Okay. And that wasn't good enough for them. [1:55:38] So then the judge ended up ordering him to tear it all down. [1:55:43] Oh my God. And he refused. And now he's still in jail. He's still in jail right now. Oh my God. For contempt of court. Is this a homeowners association thing? [1:55:52] no it's just his neighbor no because he everything was approved it got approved by the HOA got approved by the city and everything and he spent all his money he spent all his money built it up and then his neighbor had a problem with it oh his neighbor is a piece of shit and now the judge wants him to tear it down can you imagine your neighbor wanting you to take down an addition to your house like why do you give a fuck I'm telling you right now if you if I'm going to if I'm going to jail over that I'm going to whoop your ass I'm at least being there for something that's so crazy that people can take someone to court for doing [1:56:22] Like, what does it matter to you? Is it affecting your view? Like, what is it? Yeah, I think it's one of those things where it's like, technically, I think the argument you can make is that, [1:56:32] I bought this house because...

[1:56:35] The forest was right there, and he's chopping down the forest. Is that what he's doing, though? No, that's not what he's doing. But I was like, I don't know. And I forget what the statute is that they found. His name was Michael Martin. But they found some old-ass technicality. [1:56:48] that the city didn't even know about because they approved it. [1:56:52] You would hate that neighbor forever if that guy made you take down your addition that you spent 200 grand building up. Because that's my thing. It's like, how is the judge? How can you tell a man? [1:57:03] fuck your million dollars. Right. [1:57:04] That's what's crazy. And you got approved by the city. [1:57:08] And he can't appeal that? [1:57:10] I don't know. He's in jail while it's being appealed, and that's what his lawyer is like. He's... [1:57:15] No, because here's the thing. He can get out of jail anytime he wants. [1:57:18] All he has to do is tear down the edition. He has to tear down the edition. Yeah, but if he's appealing, why would he tear down the edition? And then if Woody wins the appeal, he builds it back up again, and then the guy appeals the appeal? It's also saying that demo is going to cost $800,000. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. This fucking cunt neighbor. Yeah, you talk about being fake. What is the specifics, though? Am I wrong? I mean, maybe the neighbor is right. I'm looking to see how it went down. [1:57:42] Yeah. Because what did the – Is there a video on it? Why could the neighbor have any – [1:57:47] How could that make sense? It's starting off. It said the lawyer for a Tampa couple who asked a judge to fine their neighbor in contempt of court over a disputed guest house says there's more to the story than we first brought to you, Bo. Of course. There's always more to the story. What is he growing shrooms back there? I'm trying to read it. It's not sharing.

[1:58:07] My old neighborhood, there was this guy who built a house, and it was just kind of flat. It was flat. It was kind of boring. [1:58:15] It was just like not creative. The guy was a builder. He wasn't much of an architect. And I don't think he hired an architect. He just had his own idea of how to build a house. But he got permits and he did it. But I remember my neighbor complaining. And he's like, you believe this guy built this fucking house? I'm like, what is the big deal? [1:58:30] And he's like, [1:58:31] You don't think that's an eyesore? No. [1:58:33] I go, well, it's boring. It's a boring house. Like, what do you care? [1:58:37] I didn't understand it, but he wanted to start complaining and get a bunch of people to file a complaint about this guy's house. From a local news site. The location will allow the occupant of the guest house to peer into the backyard and pool area of the Babbitt's home. [1:58:52] Oh. Martin subsequently removed any windows facing the Babitz property and installed bamboo along the property line to obstruct the view of the guest house. Yeah, they were mad that you could see into their house. To their yard where their pool is. Yeah, that's how it started. That was the initial complaint, but there's 500 filings left. [1:59:11] that they've had over five years. Oh, God. 1924 original subdivision said it was public space or supposed to be public space or something like that. Look at that, 1924. They went and found a 1924 statute. They're saying that the company he hired [1:59:27] that got the approval did that illegally, and that's their claim, I guess. [1:59:32] And it all has to do with the others. [1:59:35] So... [1:59:36] Martin signed a contract with a demolition company and needs to pay $392,372.50 to Dynamite Demolition. What a great name. I want to get a T-shirt. Dynamite Demolition. To begin tearing down the structures, Judge Nash rejected them until last week, finding Martin in contempt and ordering a writ of bodily attachment, which orders all law enforcement to take Martin into custody and take him to jail.

[2:00:02] No one is above the law, McLaren said. [2:00:05] So we just want the court's ruling to be complied with. And that's it. Boy. But somebody being able to see into your pool is wild for you to really go through this much trouble. She said, oh, so this general contractor, Julie McGill, is one of the several outside contractors and developers I asked to evaluate the case. She says she can't remember a time when a judge told the city that it didn't follow its own code. [2:00:28] on neighborhood conformity. [2:00:30] Wow. But see, Mr. Martin, you fucking up the game. You know what you got to do, man? You know what you got to do, Mr. Martin? Just comply. [2:00:38] Okay, because you're not going to win like this. Do what they say. Pay the money. Tear it down. I'm guessing you've got the money. If you build a million-dollar guest house with a pickleball court and a pool just for your guests, you've got the bread. Pay that bread, and then you take the money you save from not being caught up in all of these lawsuits, okay, and you spend it on revenge. You hire the most cold-blooded fucking creative people you can think of, and you... [2:01:04] Yeah. [2:01:05] You make this person's life miserable in all the legal ways possible and all the ways where he knows it's you and he can't do shit about it. You you hire a bunch of college students. You get him a prize for whoever finds any statute that can fuck this man's life up. That's what you do. Don't sit in jail. You cannot take any revenge that cost you something. [2:01:25] It's you have it's got to be pure delight. You know, it's got to be served cold. That's what they're saying is the best serve cold It's like you have to take care with the dish. You can't just react It would be weird though if you always had a backyard where your pool didn't face anybody and then also I'm a dude put a house

[2:01:42] right behind your pool. Put up a gazebo, motherfucker. I'm reading more. That's not exactly what it was. It says there was already... They put together some lots to make one bigger lot, and there was already some... [2:01:52] something on that [2:01:54] And so when he bought it, they're like, well, we're seeing a problem with fixing that, changing how it looked. And that might be – But here's also the thing, though, Joe. He offered to – [2:02:03] block, like put up a wall and block the... They have no windows. Yeah. Put up bamboo. And I feel like if it's a good neighbor, that's reasonable. Yeah. That's a reasonable compromise. Go, oh, I didn't even think about the... I can see into your house. Yeah. [2:02:17] We'll just knock the windows out. That feels like instead of being like, no, I want you to waste a million dollars. Right. Fuck. To me, that's when you became the bad guy. When he offered a reasonable compromise and you said, fuck, no, then fuck you. Fuck you. Yeah. Fuck you. I'm telling you right now, they lucky it's not me with a million dollars because I'm Batman now. I'm Batman and you the Joker. And I'm going to spend my whole I'm going to live my life as no those. That's true. [2:02:43] Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm going to tear it down. I'm going to sell the house. [2:02:47] From selling this house, I'm going to use all that money to break your life hard. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to pay people to break in your house. That's illegal. Don't do that. That's illegal. You don't want to pay it. Don't do illegal things. Let a crackhead do it. But that's illegal still. Okay. Crackhead will rat you out, too. Then you'll be in jail. Cut your internet line. Wait until you call the repair shop. That's illegal, too. Have them throw dead mice in the back of your vents. You can't have it be illegal. It's got to be illegal. It can't be illegal. It must be legal. But I just can't think of anything legal right now.

[2:03:17] and just make them go through legal problems. [2:03:19] don't sue yeah just have just have people outside with a tape measurer they if they if they a centimeter from the curb straight neighbor wars the labor wars are real man people kill each other over neighbor wars oh yeah the hatfields and the mccoys ancient [2:03:35] Yeah, I... [2:03:36] Um... [2:03:37] I think that was over some other shit. There's nothing worse than living beside somebody like this. [2:03:43] No. [2:03:44] It's completely unreasonable, completely unable to compromise. Nice neighbors are beautiful. Oh, man. You have good neighbors. It's great. I have nice neighbors. And I have nice neighbors in California, too. [2:03:55] Because here's the thing. It doesn't take much to be a good neighbor. You have to be thoughtful. [2:03:59] and [2:04:01] in the times that you're not thoughtful. [2:04:04] When it's brought to your attention, you have to have the appropriate amount of shame. Well, here goes. [2:04:10] It was over a stolen hog, illicit romance and longstanding judges to neighboring families in the backwoods of Appalachia. So here's the thing about that, though. I think this is from is this from Malcolm Gladwell's book? [2:04:25] I forget whose book it's on from, but there was a book where they explained that what had happened. I believe it's Malcolm Gladwell was explaining that the reason why the people in Appalachia are so violent is because they come from herding populations in Europe. And so herders in Europe are very different than farmers because if herders, someone can come along and steal all your sheep and you're fucked.

[2:04:47] You can't really steal all someone's corn. It just takes forever. Right. You got to chop it down. You know what I mean? So these people were used to defending their animals with violence. Right. [2:04:57] Because people would come in and try to steal them. [2:05:00] Yes, Malcolm Gladwell. Yeah, Outliers. That's the book. Chapter six, Hatfield McCoy feud is analyzed as a prime example of a culture of honor where similar to the findings in this Reddit thread, ancestral herding roots forced rapid, brutal retaliation for insults to maintain reputation. This cultural legacy, not just poverty, drove generations of conflict. [2:05:23] So culture of honor. Gladwell argues that families descending from Scottish and Irish herders brought a culture of honor to the Appalachian Mountains. In these regions, law enforcement is weak and survival depends on establishing a reputation for strength and prompt, often violent retaliation against slights. [2:05:41] Yeah, that makes sense. What was the name of the book, though? [2:05:44] Outliers. Fucking great book. [2:05:46] It's a really good book. Yeah, I haven't read it, though. It's really good. It talks about, like, why people are successful. One of the more interesting things is about the Beatles. And the Beatles talks about how they got this gig in Hamburg, Germany, where they were performing every fucking day. Every day. They were doing multiple sets every day. And they did it for, like, a few years. And they went back to Liverpool, and everybody was like, what the fuck happened with you guys? Like, how did you get so good? [2:06:16] And they got so good because they were just performing all the time. I think it was at a strip club.

[2:06:21] I think it was something crazy like that. Like they were performing music at a strip club, like something weird. And because of that – [2:06:29] They were just getting reps, like crazy reps. And I think... [2:06:33] That's the key to like almost anything. [2:06:36] Almost anything. And this is the argument in Outliers. It's like the 10,000 hours of mastery, like that argument. Yeah, but wasn't the 10,000 hours is – [2:06:46] It's not exactly what he said, right? No, it's rough. Because there's obviously people that are savants. I think he modified it because he talked about [2:06:57] it's not about... [2:07:00] the amount of time as much as it's about the [2:07:04] the kind, the quality of practice. Right. So like intentional directed practice. Which would be like performing on stage. Exactly. For all those. Where is, what were they doing in Hamburg, Germany, Jamie? Were they... [2:07:18] With the at. [2:07:19] With the other... [2:07:20] Was it a strip club? Something like that. [2:07:23] played in clubs and strip bars. Yeah. So there's a lot of places, I guess. So they were just going off. They were just, like, doing as many sets as they can. [2:07:31] Which is the same with comedy. Everybody that we know that really progressed rapidly, they did as many sets as possible. [2:07:38] They're hopping all over the place. Like guys in our club, like Ari Matty, for instance, that fucking dude, he'll go up at the sunset. He'll go over here, go there, go there. It doesn't show up to mothership. He's just... [2:07:49] in it. He's in it.

[2:07:51] All day. And when you're doing that, you just get better quicker. Just get better and better. And those dudes that we know that do a set a week... [2:07:58] You know, come in, drop in, do 15 minutes. That's it. You don't see him again for another week. It kind of, like, gets stale. [2:08:05] They stay flat. They get stagnant. They get stagnant. Yeah. Whereas the Beatles just got after it and then all of a sudden, love, love, may do. They just got smooth, you know, which makes sense. [2:08:16] That's the case with everything, though. [2:08:19] But like everything you do, like you don't want a surgeon that does brain surgery once a year. You know, you want a guy who's like in it. Yeah. He's in it all day. He's fucking studying journals and practicing with robots. Yeah. I'm trying to be your third brain that day. [2:08:33] That's right. [2:08:34] Yeah. You don't want to be the fifth brain, though. It gets tired. No. Yo, you know what's funny is I just saw something about... [2:08:41] he did a study at a courthouse [2:08:44] where [2:08:46] And they found that the, that, [2:08:49] Judge whenever the judges had [2:08:52] like how harsh of a sentence you received. [2:08:55] was directly related to how long it had been since the judge ate something. [2:09:01] Oh, yeah. I've seen that before. Yeah, I've seen that. That's crazy. That's crazy. Like it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's statistically significant. Yeah. Yeah. Which makes sense. Cranky. Yo. Or if the judge get no pussy, he's going through a divorce. You know, maybe his wife fucked her trainer. Oh, yeah. Give me fuck you. Give me the hot judge right after breakfast.

[2:09:24] What if you come in and you're a personal trainer too and you're dealing with some shit? And Joey's like, my wife just fucked up, you piece of shit. Some people get real petty like that. They don't give a fuck about... [2:09:36] about like doing the right thing oh hell no no they just want to they want to feel power fuck people over fuck you oh fuck all trainers oh [2:09:47] You know, another thing I just found out about is... [2:09:50] Thank you. [2:09:51] um, [2:09:52] I think that the country is Anguilla. [2:09:54] Right, Jamie? [2:09:55] they have [2:09:57] They, um... [2:10:00] So you know how in America the websites are all .com, and in Russia it's like .ru. [2:10:07] In Anguilla... [2:10:09] It's .ai. [2:10:11] Oh. Which didn't used to mean shit, but now... Now it's worth some money. Now they're making so much money selling domains that it's like half of their money. Oh, wow. [2:10:22] It's completely changed the economy. Oh, that's crazy because it seems like you're legit if you have like a [2:10:28] perplexity.ai. Mm-hmm. [2:10:30] Right. So anybody, anything that I got to pay these people. Oh, wow. Yeah. [2:10:34] Well, there's so many domains now. Yeah, just from something we didn't use to think anything. Because it used to be like you only had .com and .net. [2:10:44] Oh, yeah. You know? Like, you never know what the... Like, bro, somebody just held up a... Somebody... Because I'm on... One of the subreddits I'll be on is called... [2:10:54] "Why would you touch that?" or "What is this?" And usually the same posts are on both, because people are like, "What is this thing?" and then also, "Why are you touching it?" So, I just saw one recently, but somebody held up a thing.

[2:11:10] And they were like, what is this? What is this? What does this O.F. mean? [2:11:14] Thank you. [2:11:14] And it was like, but it was from, so you know Tyler, the Creator? Yes. So when he first came out, his group was called Our Future. [2:11:23] So this is way before OnlyFans. And so if you saw OF... [2:11:28] you know, before [2:11:29] seven years ago, it meant... That's what it meant. Right. And so it was one of their, like, stickers or promo things or something like that. But this was a young kid. He found it in an attic or something. He didn't know what the fuck it meant. He was like, why is it... [2:11:40] Because he knew how old it was. So he was like, it can't be OnlyFans. What is this? Right. Yeah, and it's like, it changes all the time. These motherfuckers, they got this... [2:11:49] nobody thought they would make any fucking money off of it. Right. [2:11:53] Well... [2:11:54] Well, there's other ones like that, too, that are kind of interesting. [2:11:58] For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. [2:12:05] Tremphaya offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tremphaya is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks. If your doctor decides that you can self-inject Tremphaya, proper training is required. [2:12:28] of Crohn's disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis. Serious allergic reactions, increased risk of infections or lower ability to fight them and liver problems may occur. Before treatment, get checked for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms or need a vaccine. Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about Trimphia today. Call [redacted phone] to learn more or visit trimphiaradio.com.

[2:12:59] This podcast is brought to you by Carvana. Selling your car should feel like one less thing on your list, not one more. With Carvana, it is. Just go to Carvana.com, enter your license plate or VIN, and get a real offer down to the penny. No back and forth, no surprises, just an experience you can trust. Like your offer? Accept it. Schedule a pickup, and we'll come to you with a check in hand. Your car, your timeline, your terms. Visit Carvana.com to sell your car today. Carvana. Pickup fees may apply. [2:13:29] There's a bunch of different ones. I'm trying to remember some of them, but some of them are like .biz. [2:13:35] Where'd that come from? I don't know. What is that? Is that a... I don't know, but they have that. They have .biz for some. I remember back when that used to mean something. We used to have .org. I think .edu is still a thing. Remember when people sell websites for a lot of money, so people would buy a bunch of domains and hold on to them like business. I think business.com sold for a ton of money. [2:13:58] Yeah, but now I think it's hard to do that now. Yeah, what kind of business do you have that people are just looking up business.com? Why is that even worth anything? You know what I mean? That's like eating.com is worth money. I don't know if you remember back when whitehouse.com was a porn site. Was it? Because the actual site, it's always been whitehouse.gov. But that was back when people didn't know. So whenever anyone was looking for the White House, they go whitehouse.com. They go to this porn site. Do you know what Red Band did? No. Do you know the Pepsi Spice thing? [2:14:27] No? What is Pepsi Spice? One of Red Band's greatest trolls was he bought PepsiSpice.com. So Pepsi Spice was a type of Pepsi that came out. And so Red Band bought PepsiSpice.com, and then he started documenting how he was drinking Pepsi Spice, and he was having bloody diarrhea. That's all he was drinking. He was dying. He was getting cancer. It's like the fucking craziest thing.

[2:14:57] ago so play the go full screen 169 [2:15:02] So he's losing weight? Hi, this is Brian from PepsiSpice.com. A lot of people wouldn't believe me, so that's why I'm making this video. My pee has actually turned not yellow, not white, but it's red. It's got a fake action. No, no. And I'm not making this shit up. That's why I'm filming losing this. [2:15:23] uh... cannon [2:15:25] camera that s [2:15:27] uh... of four megapixel camera [2:15:30] uh... so that's all this is [2:15:33] All right. [2:15:34] toilet [2:15:34] Yeah. [2:15:36] I'm going to pee with it. I'm just going to [2:15:41] so he's like pretending that his pee is bloody oh this guy he's so silly he just kept doing the like he got worse and worse and worse and eventually pepsi spice bought it from him though the hardest part to believe about that video is the 170 pounds [2:15:58] Oh, he was really skinny at one point in time. Wow. Yeah. [2:16:01] Yeah. Brian, at one point in time, got real heavy and then went on a crazy fitness kick. He got a stair climber in his house, and he was fucking riding that bitch every day, and he lost a ton of weight. And he had a photo of him with his old jeans. [2:16:16] this is a Pepsi Spice Project. [2:16:20] Pepsi Spice Project. [2:16:24] He's so silly. But this one, man, he committed a lot of fucking time to this. It was very funny. I remember reading it and dying laughing. I'm like, you're so ridiculous. Well, you know, if Red Band decides fuck you,

[2:16:39] He can really elevate to like a 50 cent level of pettiness. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But this wasn't even fuck you. This is just him having fun. Did they come after him? [2:16:49] I think eventually they did. But the thing was, they were too stupid to buy pepsispice.com when they – [2:16:55] had pepsi spice like you gotta buy that like who the fuck you should fire somebody somebody in your organization slipping because he didn't know that pepsi spice was going to be a thing until after you released it so the fact that you knew that you were going to release pepsi spice and you didn't buy up pepsispice.com is kind of crazy that is kind of crazy kind of kind of ridiculous yeah that's just shitty planning that's whoever works for they deserve whatever he did [2:17:25] and I tried to get BS.com or BScomedian.com or something like that. [2:17:32] Somebody already owns it. It was like a Canadian... [2:17:36] improv group or something. Oh, interesting. And I was like, well, I'll buy it from you. And the price they said was so crazy that I was like, what? How much? I want to say they asked for like $10,000 or something. [2:17:50] And this was back when I... That was... [2:17:53] Like I wouldn't pay that now, but back when but back then I didn't even have it. [2:17:57] Right. I was like, what? $10,000 is crazy for a website? Yeah. Because it wasn't like they were doing tons of business through this website. Were they using it at all? How much would you have paid for it? Back then? Yeah. I would have gave them $1,000. $1,000. If they said two, no way?

[2:18:13] Maybe. Maybe 1500 with a best and final. I think today, though, all anybody does is do a search of your name. [2:18:21] And then they find your website. If somebody wants to find your website, they just search, and it's right there. Oh, yeah. But part of me always wants everything to be the same. And it ended up not being that way anyway because my TikTok is a different thing than everything else. Everything is BS comedian except that. It's interesting that you have TikTok. Don't you worry about the terms of service, like all the access they have to your phone and access to computers around your network and all that shit? The Chinese? I mean, it's American. Well, now it's not the Chinese anymore now. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, for me, I've never – [2:18:51] I've never because the once once Edward Snowden told us what was up. I'm like, they are. Who gives a fuck? I care who's spying. I'm getting spied on no matter what I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. What the Chinese going to do to me? They're going to be like, oh, he's basically they have everything that you've ever done. And they only use it if they catch you. [2:19:11] So if they're looking for something, like say if you run for Congress – [2:19:16] You do some insider trading. You do something shitty, and they come after you. Then they go, oh, Brian, it's interesting because we have voicemail. [2:19:23] that you left on someone's. You were talking about it. They got that shit, though. They already got it. Somebody got arrested today from Fauci's administration. They arrested the first guy who was involved in the cover-up of the lab leak theory, and he was using a Gmail account to avoid Freedom of Information Act requests.

[2:19:53] what the reality of all this is, obviously. But I'll just read about it today. [2:19:58] Ex-Fauci top advisor indicted over alleged COVID cover-up. Hidden emails. David Morens allegedly received gifts, including wine and high-end meals from a collaborator, prosecutors say. Uh-oh. See, this is why I don't believe in incognito mode. [2:20:15] Yeah, it's all bullshit. I'm like, yo, jerk off on your mane and delete that shit out your history. Because all incognito mode is, is just you going, hey, Google, this is the stuff I don't want nobody to know about. Exactly. Just making it easier for them. And then they put it in a file. He served for years as a top advisor with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, indicted and is accused. [2:20:39] Your butt's talking to you, dog. [2:20:43] Google's like, you can. [2:20:45] Trust me. Yeah, Google's like, hey, I know incognito mode is legit. Incognito mode. [2:20:53] So he was using his personal email account to evade federal transparency laws and shield key discussions from Freedom of Information Act requests, according to the DOJ indictment unsealed. [2:21:23] in China. The grant was later terminated amid scrutiny of whether COVID-19 may have originated from a lab leak.

[2:21:28] Isn't it amazing that... But did he... How did they catch him? Did he... [2:21:32] Well, I mean, they can't get Fauci, right? This is the thing because they wanted to get Fauci. That's why the Biden administration gave him a pardon from 2014 on, which is really kind of wild. [2:21:46] But federal prosecutors also claim that Marin's received gifts from a collaborator, including wine and offers of high end meals, and later took steps to justify these perks by contributing to a scientific publication supporting the theory that COVID-19 emerged naturally rather than from the Wuhan lab. [2:22:05] bribed him to get him to do this. [2:22:08] Allegedly. [2:22:11] He's one of, I think, a bunch of people that are going to wind up going down. There's too many people that are pissed off. There's too many people. I mean, too much money got lost. Too many people wound up dying. Why do you think anybody's going to go to prison? They never go to prison. No, you don't know. [2:22:27] This is a new thing. I mean, this kind of thing is a new thing, and there's enough people that want heads to roll. This is a weird thing. I mean, this is a weird thing where they shut the whole country down. If you find out that these people actually paid to have this virus engineered and they were lying about it and hiding it and covering it up. Oh, I see. That's what I took from that. The virus came from the Wuhan lab. OK, these people were hiding the fact that they were funding the Wuhan lab. Mm hmm. [2:22:53] They were funding the creation of this virus. He was part of a group that was funding them. And he was also allegedly being bribed

[2:23:01] with things to promote the idea that it came from naturally, from natural spillover versus from a lab leak. [2:23:09] Allegedly. Who's alleging? Whoever the prosecutors are. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what they know and what they don't know. But I do know that... [2:23:17] And obviously there was a concerted effort to make it seem like this came naturally and not from the Wuhan lab. There was a giant effort, which is why on YouTube, if you had posted during like 2020 about a lab leak, if you said, I think it came from a lab, they would literally pull you off of YouTube. They would kick you off of Twitter back then. Before Elon bought Twitter, they would kick you off Twitter. If you were going on and on about it, this is a lab leak. I mean, we live in them times, man. A hypothetical could fuck your world up. [2:23:47] You can't even chew on it. You can't even play devil's advocate. Well, you can now. You can now because of Twitter, because Elon bought it. But before then, when the government was essentially in control, I mean, the government was conspiring to control and to limit – [2:24:04] About Elon? Yeah. People do all day. All day. All day. [2:24:07] Yeah, all over Twitter. [2:24:09] In his defense. I mean, I'm sure he blocked them. But, I mean, he can block somebody. But people talk mad shit about him. Bro, that motherfucker be on Twitter way too much for how rich he is. [2:24:19] Not only that, how busy he is. I don't understand it. A boy busy tweeting. What's he doing? But he's busy making rockets and shit. I mean, I don't understand it. I don't know how he has the time. I can't do it. He ain't making the rockets. He got, like, slaves or whatever. I don't know. I'm sure he got, like, geniuses chained. He does, but he's in charge of a lot of it, man. I went to the rocket factory during the launch. Jamie went, too. We all went and watched SpaceX launch. We went down to the Gulf, right?

[2:24:49] But, you know, they just launched, or they're going to launch on SpaceX, they're going to launch the new telescope. Yes. The, what is it? The Nancy Grace Roman, the Roman, the Roman telescope. Ooh, this motherfucker is... [2:25:04] These new telescopes are kind of crazy because the more they find out, the more they find out that like, oh, we didn't know that. What's crazy about this one is how fast they built it. And this is the craziest part. It's under budget. So they built it faster than they said for less than what they said. And what is the power of this one as opposed to like the James Webb? [2:25:24] apparently, so I was listening to this shit. I was fascinated earlier, but they're saying... [2:25:31] So they weren't comparing it to the James Webb, they're comparing it to the Hubble. [2:25:38] more infrared [2:25:40] This is more like the Hubble, but... [2:25:44] It takes pictures at the same resolution as the Hubble, but way, way bigger. So they were saying that there is not a screen that exists that you could display the picture on. Yeah, it's a wide field instrument, whereas the James telescope is near-infrared. [2:26:02] Interesting. [2:26:03] So what is this going to be able to detect that the James Webb can't? Exoplanets is one of the big ones. Oh, shit. Like way, way, way, way more than we can right now. Imagine if they find exoplanets and you can see lights on them. [2:26:18] Well, I don't know if that's possible

[2:26:21] One day. [2:26:22] Just imagine... [2:26:25] Imagine how crazy. Oh, yeah, I think about it all the time. Fucking crazy that would be. So, yeah, so see how huge. Holy shit. Yeah, it compares more to the Hubble, I think, than the. . . [2:26:35] James Webb. And the type of telescope it is. Yeah, and just the amount of information that it can... [2:26:40] Take in. They're finding shit from the James Webb that's freaking them out. [2:26:44] They're finding things that make them question the age of the universe itself. Oh, yeah. And this thing is going to do – because I don't know if you remember this, but the first time I was on this pod, I told you about the James Webb. Wait like a year and a half before it came out. What were you telling me about? I was just telling you that it existed. Right. That it was going to change everything. Yeah. And – It has. And this one is going to do the same thing. The formation of galaxies is freaking them out. They find these galaxies that are formed way too quickly. [2:27:13] So they're confused, and now they're starting to, like, are we wrong about how long it takes to form a galaxy, or are we wrong about the age of the universe? Right. [2:27:22] Yeah, I mean, we're wrong about everything. I mean, we're wrong about a lot of things. But you know the thing about scientists love being wrong. Yeah, they do. Well, especially these kind of scientists. They love new discoveries. Like, oh, more questions. They're not dogmatic. Also, it's very difficult to argue when you get the data back from these things. I mean, it is what it is. [2:27:40] We were talking about this recently that they found a black hole that's bigger than our galaxy. [2:27:46] Oh, well, yeah. What? Well, I think you were sending me that. I think you sent me that. Something... Or it may not be bigger than our galaxy, or it's commensurate with our galaxy. It's like...

[2:27:59] There's one that they found that was bigger than our entire soul system. It was ton something. Ton 618. [2:28:05] It's bigger than the solar system. But that's one. But there was the Alpha. What was the other one that we looked at the other day? [2:28:11] um [2:28:12] And then we brought it up the other day. There's one that's even larger than that. Like they keep finding these ones that are just impossibly big. Yeah, because it would have to have been primordial, right? Like it would have to have formed. But this was the question. They said that it was so big it didn't make sense that it had enough time to suck up enough stars to get that big. [2:28:32] That was the problem. Right. They were like, there's not enough time from the birth of the universe for this thing to exist and be this big. Yeah, because it would have had to have started at a time where matter wasn't close enough together to even form things. Oh, it's so fucked up. It's so crazy. Yeah. This is the idea of a black hole bigger than all the way out to Pluto. A black hole. Here's the real sad thing. [2:28:55] There's a lot of things that are just not knowable to us. We just will never know. [2:29:02] we just got to accept it. Like, like you hear, every time you hear them talk about how, [2:29:05] With you know, we're expanding the the universe is expanding so rapidly that eventually it's going to be expanding [2:29:13] Because it's speeding up. So eventually it's going to be expanding. [2:29:16] closer to speed of light. - Right. - And so it's like, [2:29:20] at some point. [2:29:22] if there's still people on Earth by then, at some point, there's not going to be any stars. It's going to be expanding.

[2:29:29] so rapidly that when you look up at the sky, you're not going to see anything. [2:29:33] Like they're going to think, [2:29:34] They're going to think that everything outside our galaxy doesn't exist. I mean, they're going to see stars, but they're not going to see. They're not going to know that there's other galaxies because the light won't be reaching us. [2:29:45] Wow. So it's like, [2:29:46] So imagine the stuff that we... [2:29:48] that we can't know now, that we already be on what we couldn't even know. I think it's called Phoenix. Phoenix. [2:29:54] I think that was the... [2:29:57] It's the same thing? I'm looking at everything about ton 6118 says it's the biggest. [2:30:02] thing they've ever found. [2:30:03] And how big is it exactly? 88. [2:30:10] mass is the size of roughly 66 billion suns i think is what that means i don't know what that means man i don't understand 66 billion solar masses that's so great you can't even really you can't even really imagine that do you know what they said that there are more planets in the in the universe than there are seconds since the big bang [2:30:43] Yeah, that's... Phoenix is surrounding ton 618. Oh, that's what it is. Okay, so Phoenix... As a quasar, ton 618 is believed to be the active galactic nucleus at the center of a galaxy, the engine of which is a supermassive black hole feeding on intensely hot gas and matter...

[2:31:05] in an [2:31:06] Accretion disc? What does that mean? That's the disc around the black hole that, like when it eats something, that's where the light is coming from. I... [2:31:19] When did they discover this? 1950, 60... [2:31:23] Thank you. [2:31:26] Nature of this object was first noted in 57. 13 years later, 1970, discovered emissions from it. You want to really get freaked out? Jimmy, look up the Great Attractor. [2:31:36] Thank you. [2:31:37] What is that? [2:31:38] So this scary space is so... So there is something... [2:31:46] on the other side of us that we can't see. [2:31:50] And everything is moving in that direction, including us. And we don't know what's pulling you. What? [2:31:56] Hidden galaxies discovered in the zone of avoidance. [2:32:00] What does that mean? [2:32:01] The Great Attractor, Defeat Dark Energy? Whaaaaat? [2:32:06] What is it? [2:32:08] The Great Attractor is a region of gravitational attraction in intergalactic space and the apparent central gravitational point of the Lanarkia supercluster of galaxies that includes the Milky Way galaxy as well as about 100,000 other galaxies. The observed attraction suggests a localized concentration of mass having the order of 10 to the 16 solar masses.

[2:32:38] above the zone of avoidance so that [2:32:40] In visible light wavelengths, the great attractor is difficult to observe directly. Bro. [2:32:46] There's no way you can know everything. And the attraction is observable. There's too much information. So we know everything's being sucked towards it. What is that? We don't know. And it's sucking all these galaxies, all these super galaxies. Everything's moving towards it, and we can't tell what it is. [2:33:01] If you're is your job to know what's going on in the universe. Hey, Brian, write me a paper on what's going on in the universe. Like everything. [2:33:10] Everything? It would never end. With every new satellite that gets launched that can see into the space, every new telescope that gets utilized, we're fucked. [2:33:27] I think that it's actually physically impossible for you to know even a fraction of the things because any – [2:33:36] any device that could store [2:33:38] that amount of information would collapse into a black hole before you could get anywhere near storing enough. So your brain couldn't even hold... [2:33:46] - Thank you. [2:33:46] Even a percentage of a percentage of a percentage of the information. That makes sense. We have pea brains. Yeah. There's no way we could have that information. The South Pole, what is this? Yeah, flat earthers are going to love this. Okay. The South Pole Wall is a massive cosmic structure formed by a giant wall of galaxies, a galaxy filament, that extends across at least 1.37 billion light years of space.

[2:34:16] consequently part of which is aged at about a half a billion light years. The structure and its astronomical angle is dense in five known places, including one very near the celestial South Pole, and is, according to the international team of astronomers that discovered the South Pole Wall, the largest contiguous feature in the local volume and comparable to the Sloan Great Wall at half the distance. Okay, you just like... I just were blocked in my walls as long as I was getting that. Aha. [2:34:46] Maybe that's why they're confused. And maybe that's what they think the Antarctic wall is. Or maybe the rest of the galaxy knows that we're a problem and they got us locked in. You know, perhaps we got we gotten out before and fuck the galaxy up. Maybe. [2:34:59] Back in the Egyptian days Maybe that's what they were doing Something You've seen that shit they found underneath the pyramids, right? No [2:35:08] You haven't seen that? I don't think so. What do you mean? Oh, you don't know? Okay. Oh, you don't know? Kirk Meister. [2:35:16] Oh, you don't know. He should sell t-shirts. You ever heard? Oh, you don't know. Okay. [2:35:21] They found these structures. They use – what is it called? Radio tomography, satellite radio tomography. And it's this ground-penetrating shit that they found these structures underneath the pyramids that go like over a kilometer deep into the earth. [2:35:40] Like pillars, giant columns that are surrounded by coils that go down into the ground. And they've used this technology successfully to detect things that they know exist, like certain voids that are in pyramids and certain chambers and certain temples that they know exist underground.

[2:36:10] they built this particle collider. And this thing, this... [2:36:13] this information, this technology. [2:36:16] shows an accurate image of what this particle collider looks like. [2:36:22] The exact dimensions shows the exact. And so they're using this underneath the pyramid. And this guy, Filippo Biondi, this Italian scientist that I had on the podcast, explained that they've used this underneath the pyramids. And there's these undeniable structures that exist that go down into the ground, like very deep into the ground. So the pyramids are just the top of this immense structure. When you said Italian scientist, I just keep thinking about him like taking a nap in the middle of the night. [2:36:49] They're eating pasta, drinking wine. Eventually, we're figuring it out. So you're saying that there are machines down there or something? They don't know what it is. So they haven't really dug into the ground and investigated it fully yet. But they know that these... [2:37:04] this technology is detecting these structures. Jamie, show them what it looks like. So show them the 3D model. They made a 3D model of it. I'm shocked that we can't get in there and just go. That's what they think it looks like. [2:37:19] Okay. What? [2:37:20] Imagine if that's accurate. [2:37:22] If there really are columns underneath the pyramid? I mean, that just seems so impossible. It seems impossible. And there's heat? [2:37:29] No, I don't think it's heat. I don't think that's what it is. There's a water table underneath there, too. And they think it has something to do with the use of the pyramid. [2:37:37] in the first place, that it wasn't simply just a structure, that it had some sort of a use.

[2:37:43] these columns were doing something and that it was probably some sort of a technology. [2:37:48] Look how nuts that is. [2:37:51] Megastructures underneath the pyramids. [2:37:53] Could you go back to what that one said with the – yeah, right there. Look at that. [2:37:57] alleged megastructures under Egypt's pyramids [2:38:01] sparking fascination and fierce skepticism worldwide. [2:38:05] Will you lose something? [2:38:06] So if it's true... [2:38:08] That's nuts. [2:38:10] Yeah, I mean, that sounds absolutely fucking crazy to me. [2:38:14] that [2:38:16] I'm just thinking about the work that it would take to even do that. Right. And what kind of a society did that? And for what purpose? And it's at least 4,500 years old. At least. At least. Yeah. And so apparently those ancient pyramids were before... [2:38:31] Thank you. [2:38:32] I thought the modern Egyptians built those pyramids. No. The pyramids were ancient to them. Well, that seems to be the case with a lot. That's the labyrinth. That's underneath. It's outside of the pyramids. This is another insane structure that they found that Herodotus documented way back in, you know, [2:38:53] Thousands of years ago. But this is all Ben Van Kirkwick from his Uncharted X YouTube channel sort of described all this and explained it. And they've used scans, ground penetrating radar to show that there's this immense structure that Herodotus described as being greater than Giza itself. That's underneath the ground.

[2:39:14] And inside the labyrinth, there's a 40-meter-long metallic object. [2:39:19] that's shaped like a Tic Tac. [2:39:21] Thank you. [2:39:22] Thank you. [2:39:23] So whatever the fuck that is, who knows? But I think there's a lot of shit from that part of the world that's going to show us that. [2:39:31] civilization at one point in time had reached a very high level, like probably even higher than we are today. And then it was wiped out. [2:39:38] And then we're the rebuild. [2:39:41] Well, they didn't cure syphilis. Actually, you know, there's a new syphilis. I heard from Michigan or some shit from Washington. No, no, it was in Washington. Washington. Yeah, the dude, the dude, a new kind of syphilis. Well, it's not. The dude had to be at two syphilises. [2:40:01] Two different. Yeah, two ones. What a dirty pig he must have been. And they and they like the same way that COVID was going through like genetic recombination. So like, uh-huh. They were exchanging traits inside his body. Oh, boy. And creating a super syphilis. Yeah. And then and then and then and then what happened is a bunch of old ladies kept going to the ER. [2:40:22] And they all kept describing the same man. And they... He spread it. He was a super spreader. He was spreading it, yeah. And he went to the ER because apparently, like, whatever strain he has, it just causes you to go blind super quickly and all these things. And he... [2:40:39] there's debate about whether he knew he was purposely spreading it and didn't give a fuck. Cause they told him,

[2:40:44] "Yeah, you gotta come back." - He just kept fucking? - He just kept fucking and didn't go back. And then he went, he didn't go back until he had another emergency. He went to a different emergency room. How many times in human history has that been the cause of a plague? [2:40:58] Because somebody wouldn't stop fucking? It wouldn't stop fucking and just won't tell anybody. I mean, how are you going to be mad? You can't be mad at... It's five cases of rare ocular syphilis. Which can cause vision impairment or blindness. Identified in southwest Michigan. Michigan! [2:41:13] Between March and July 2022, all linked to a single heterosexual male partner. Wow. [2:41:21] All five women, age 40 to 60, he wasn't picky, reported having sexual contact with the same man. [2:41:27] This guy was a freak. [2:41:29] Yeah, bro, he was out here fucking. Fucking people blind. [2:41:33] Because his was crazy. Imagine leaving the emergency room. Because the first time he was in the emergency room, they thought he had herpes. [2:41:39] and they gave him something for that and he left but imagine coming from the emergency room from an STD scare and going right back to fucking and going blind [2:41:47] All patients were hospitalized and successfully treated with intravenous penicillin. No further cases were linked to this man after this treatment. [2:41:55] Woo! [2:41:57] All right, Brian. Let's wrap this up with Super Syphilis. Mm-hmm. Anything going on? When is – you're going to put your special up? I'm going to do that later, yeah. When are you going to put that out? [2:42:07] I think it's going to be summertime, July. Okay. I'm going to put my special up on YouTube. We'll come back in July. Yeah, we'll do that. I'll see you tonight. All right, yeah. BrianSimpsonComedy.com. BrianSimpsonComedy.com. Goodbye.

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