#2511 - Terry Bradshaw

[00:00] the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day pull up under the microphone mr bradshaw they're catching now [00:18] Rainbow trout. Oh, yeah? Killed them. I've been up to this our fourth year. You fly fish? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But you're not fly fishing. You come back. [00:29] In July for fly fishing. This is fly fishing, but you've got a fly bobber. It's a fly. Then you've got that. [00:38] tiny, tiny bug. I mean, you can't even see it, and that's what you catch them on. So you're using a fly rod, but you have a bobber and a little tiny fly? The bobber is a... [00:52] Basically, a big moth or something. Okay. That holds it up. Right, right. It's bobber, cork, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just a different kind of fly fishing. [01:03] What you're doing, because you're in a boat, you know, fast that water's moving. Right. And you just go down through there, and they move it to the jets and jetties and stuff. So you find, like, the pools where they're waiting. Yeah, you go, and you just find it. It goes, boom. [01:21] Oh, brown trout. Yeah, it was a good time. [01:24] Yeah, trout fishing is very fun. Yeah, it is. Fly fishing is a completely different thing. It's very skillful. I like fly fishing, too. We did that last year in July and didn't have near the...

[01:38] I didn't really catch hardly anything, to be honest with you. Yeah. I mean, maybe. [01:43] Five or six a day. That's a lot. Yeah. [01:46] For fly fishing? We caught almost 110 hours. Really? Yeah. 100 trout? That's crazy. Don't say where you were. People are all going to swarm that place. No, I don't. I didn't bring my phone. I'll show you pictures. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah. [02:03] Wow. I'll tell you something funny. I carry... [02:07] Yeah, we're filming. I figured we were. I carry a baby Jesus with me. Let me tell you what happened. You carry a baby Jesus? Baby Jesus. Like from the manger? Yeah. [02:17] Yes, Jesus. It's Jesus. We call it baby Jesus. Okay. Okay? Oh, so it is just grown-up Jesus. Right. It has a beard and everything. Yeah, exactly. Okay. [02:27] We're not catching anything. [02:28] So I reached in my pocket. I don't know why, looking for my life. I don't know what I was doing. And I had this baby Jesus. I said, oh, Jesus. [02:38] My son-in-law's in the back. I said, I got baby Jesus with me. And I set him on the box facing me. [02:47] You ready, Joe? [02:48] 1. [02:49] Two, three, four, five, six. Six giant rainbow in a row. So my son-in-law is at the back and he's going, [02:59] Turn baby Jesus towards me. I turned around. I took baby Jesus toward him. One, two, three, four, five. [03:08] Five, six.

[03:09] I went, no, this. We caught 12 rainbow... [03:16] Anywhere from 15 to 20 inches. Whoa. Yeah, that's big. That's a good rainbow. So the guide, I mean, he got a little tripped out. He said, hey, man, you're kind of messing with me here. That's kind of got me a little screwed up. I started laughing. I said, man, you get the power of Jesus in here. So we kept it all day. Before I left, I gave it to him. [03:46] every day. So that's it was kind of fun. I don't think that's something you should use every day. I think that that should be like for special trips. You don't want to ask Jesus every day to help you catch fish. I don't go fishing every day. But yeah, you're right. You know what I'm saying? I didn't I didn't need I wouldn't normally need help. But trout fishing, you know, I need help. I'm bass fishing and yeah, I'm pretty good on my own. But if things get desperate, I'm not I mean, I don't want to push it. You know what I'm saying? I want to push it. Oh, by the way, Jeff died to me. He said hello. [04:17] Oh, you know Jeff? Yeah. I know. I did a... [04:20] Two years of Better Late Than Never with him. Oh, I love Jeff. Yeah. Good dude. Yeah. Solid dude. [04:28] Man's Van, what's with all the whiskey? [04:30] Did you bring that? Yeah. I was wondering. You don't drink. I'll drink. Yeah. I quit and then I came back. I quit for eight months. Yeah.

[04:40] Not really, like, I didn't have a problem. I just, health reasons, decided it wasn't a good thing for you. That's smart. You have your own Terry Bradshaw whiskey? Yeah, we've had it now. Come on, son. We've got to have a glass of that. Seven years. Do you drink? [04:52] Yes. You better. I drink this. You're selling whiskey. You better. Yeah, I drink this. Let's have a drink. This is our 12 year that just won all the Golden Awards and spirits. Oh, nice. Yeah, won all of them. So age 12 years? 12 years. 13 now. I was talking with Buffalo Trace about that, and they're like, we ever do. That's what you drink. Once you drink this, you'll stop drinking that unless they're a sponsor. They are a sponsor. Okay, there you go. And they're nice guys. Okay. And I respect them. That company's been around longer than the country. Long. [05:22] Longer than America. Long time. They started in 1773. I mean, when you go back to Sedley Whiskey. Yeah. Well, they claimed that Elijah Craig was the... [05:32] father of bourbon whiskey. [05:36] And they do research, and then they don't have it back that far where they can actually sit, because Elijah Craig was a preacher. Oh, really? Yeah, so that frees me up. A preacher who made whiskey. Yeah. [05:49] Wow. So anyway, that's award-winning 12. Jim, can you get some ice and glasses? [05:55] This is our original. This is our two-year. This is the original brand right there. We still have that. What is the original? It's two-year aged? Two. Two. Then with our yeast, we were able to make it taste like four to six. Okay. [06:09] Okay. And so now and then we don't do that anymore. And then this is the.

[06:15] This is the good stuff right here. What's that stuff? This is secure. [06:18] Six years? Oh, yes. So you got 12, 2, and 6. Yeah, actually 12, 4. Can you really tell the difference? Yeah. Yeah. [06:25] Absolutely. Oh, I'm going to tell you right now. [06:29] This is 145 proof. [06:33] Whoa. [06:35] Okay, that's a lot. [06:36] This is 108. [06:39] 103.8. This [06:43] This is amazing. This is a... Why does the older stuff have more alcohol? Is it because of the process of aging? Yeah, because it's also... This is a bourbon that... It's a single barrel bourbon, and when we brought it out, you leave it in there, and this is what it turned out to. Now, we could dilute it by simply... [07:04] Putting water in it and dilute it down. This is 103.8, and it's 51.9 proof of alcohol. This, this. [07:16] 149. Bust it out, Terry. Let's go. If we bust it, how long are we planning on talk today? We'll talk for a couple hours. We may not be able to make a couple hours. We'll give it our best shot. Okay, we'll do our best. Who can open this? [07:32] I don't have a knife here. Jamie, you got a knife? Oh. Yeah. So we started this. He throws everything, but he didn't throw the knife. Good man. He's smart, right? Good man. [07:41] A lot of, you know what I noticed coming over here today? A lot of tattoos in here. Yes. Yeah. A lot of tattoos. You mean the building? Jamie's tattoo free. Yeah. A lot of tattoos. He's been thinking about getting my face tattooed on his back. Are you still doing that, Jamie? Is that like a bullseye?

[07:58] Stand up. Wait for a good drawing. We made a deal. I'll do his face. He'll do mine. Oh, my God. Anyway. And I'll have, like, young Jamie and, like, gothic stuff on my back. The thing about bourbon, I don't know how to explain it. [08:11] know why I fell in love with bourbon. I find it to be [08:15] First of all, it's the only thing that's only in America. Bourbon is only bourbon if it's in America. Right. And I think it's only bourbon if it's made in Kentucky. A lot of Kentucky people feel the exact same way. I mean, you ready? Yes, sir. Okay. Let's go. Let's go. [08:35] Time to party. I'm just going to. This might be the best show you ever have. All right. I'm excited. Yeah. You will be after you drink that. Let it sit. Smells good. Let it sit. [08:47] It smells good. Let it sit. This is the 12-year-old stuff. And what is it called? Bride Shell Bourbon. [08:53] That's the name. [08:54] This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Once you've got a great name for your business, you need a great domain. And Squarespace makes it easy to lock in a domain. You just search the name you want, buy it, and then you're ready to build. No hidden fees, no weird upsells. Go to squarespace.com slash Rogan for a free trial. And when you are ready to launch, use the code Rogan to get 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. [09:25] Volvo is leaving the chaos of rush hour outside. Start by settling into your saddle-stitched Nappa leather seats. Notice the open space around you. Uncluttered, elegant, intentional, warm ambient light, and natural wood details to ground you. This is Volvo's Scandinavian sanctuary for every journey. Learn more at volvocars.ca. Optional features mentioned.

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[11:25] And he says, you know what I think. And I went, well, I'm just asking you. And he says, absolutely not. And I said, okay. [11:33] I shut her down. My dad died. [11:37] Oh, wow. It's 12 years ago he died. My mother died two years ago. So anyway, [11:43] So after his passing... [11:47] Two or three years, four years, I was sitting around and I was trying to – I remember William Cohen, Secretary of State William Cohen. He says, what do you do to make a living? I said, well, I work on Fox. I'm a broadcaster. And he says, is that it? And I said, well, I'm a horse and cattle breeder. I raise registered cattle in the breeding business, training business with quarter horses. He said, oh, okay. He says, is there anything else? I said, well, I get public – I speak for corporations. [12:17] Thank you. [12:17] trying to find out, and he took a liking to him, and he says, basically what he was telling me, you should brand yourself and not have to travel so much. [12:26] Yeah, because I traveled. 250 days last year we traveled. That's a lot. That's a lot. [12:31] But my wife travels with me, so that's good. That helps. Yeah. What do you want to do with baby Jesus? Let's sit him right here. Sit him right there. See if any fish flop out of the sky. I got him facing you. We'll see what happens. And anyway... [12:44] And so he said, "Basically, you ought to brain yourself, get into something that you can..." And I said, "Well, I don't really know anything." [12:50] I know football. [12:52] I can talk football. I know how to make people laugh. I know how to give speeches to major corporations and build a program in the speeches. I know quarter horses. I know how to...

[13:06] select horses, show horses. I know how to train them. [13:11] I don't do that, but I have a trainer for all that now, and I have people for the breeding part of it. And I said, in cattle, I know... [13:18] Yeah. [13:19] I know the bloodlines and things of that nature, but I got people doing that. So I just got this. I never forgot that. You know, that's William Cohen. He's a pretty smart dude. And so we were. [13:33] I'm home. I think it was kind of a rainy day, and I'm sitting there, and my little brain's going. I'm going, you know... [13:40] what do you want to do? For some reason, I was going, what do you want to do? Because I remember one time, I remember one time I got real uncomfortable because I didn't have a normal job. So I ran into this guy that owned this cosmetic company and I said, do you have a job? Could you hire me to teach me the cosmetic industry? And he said, yeah. Yeah. He gave me $5,000 a month. So... [14:02] I had to go to work and put a tie on and a coat because I wanted to be like everybody. Everybody goes to work. Right. But me. Right. [14:11] I'm playing golf in between speeches, which may be a week, two weeks apart. So I got two weeks of golf, and I got, you know, and I just got... When was this? This was 30 years ago. So 30 years ago, you decided to get into the cosmetics business? Yeah. Just to do something? I wanted to be... I wanted to have a job. Really? I know. Wow. I wanted to have a job. I wanted to be like... I think I wanted to see...

[14:41] I wanted to see how America works. People get up and kiss their kids goodbye and their wives or husbands and they go off to work. Right. And I, for some reason, I felt guilty. I didn't have a job. I know. It's stupid. I know. It's interesting. So I got a job. Now, here's the thing, Joe. [15:01] My office was right on the road across the street from the golf course I was a member of, and I was watching my buddies come up the fairway, and I'd stand at the window, and I'd look at them, and I'd go, like, p-p-p. [15:16] but [15:16] I should be playing golf with those guys right now. Yeah. [15:21] Thank you. [15:22] How long did you last? Two months. [15:25] Damn, I couldn't stand it. Hey, I'll tell you, man, I couldn't stand it. Most people can't. [15:30] But I can't explain it other than I just felt guilty that, you know, people say, well, athletes, they got, you know. It's true. They got all this money, and they got this, and they got that. You smoke cigars, Terry? I do. You want one? Yeah, I do. All right, let me get you one. I want a really good one. [15:51] You got them? Oh, yeah. Hey, I... [15:55] I love, hey, that's my wife. I've got the only, I'm probably married to the only wife who lets me smoke in the house. Really? You married? Yes, I can't smoke in the house. Oh, see there? Everything you see in this place is because I can't do anything at home. All the elk heads and all the crazy artwork and Jimi Hendrix and all that jazz. Yeah. It's like I let her decorate the house. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[16:20] It's beautiful. It's very exciting. My house would look like a 16-year-old boy won the lottery. That's what it would look like. Well, I can understand that. I don't know why. Honestly. Racing simulators and fake werewolves. I don't know why my wife lets me smoke. But if she said that. She loves you. Yeah. That's why. Oh, you're saying yours doesn't love you. No, mine loves me too, but we make concessions. Okay. [16:42] You know what I mean? But I have a pool room, like where I play pool. In the house? No, it's out. Oh, outside? Out in the barn. And I go out there and I smoke. [16:53] I have a cigar. Yeah. This one, sir. I'll brush it. Yeah, this is good. [16:58] You smoke Cuban cigars? I do when I can get them. But you know what I mean? There's a lot of them that aren't even really Cuban. They're lying to you. [17:06] Mm. [17:08] There you go, sir. I think out of all the counterfeit stuff. This is going to be the greatest interview I've ever been a part of. We've been having a good time. Not only are we going to drink award-winning bourbon, Bradshaw bourbon, by the way, and we're smoking. This is an amazing cigar. Yeah, shout out to Foundation Cigars. Wow. What is this? Dominican, I believe. Dominican. [17:27] No, Nicaraguan. [17:29] Yeah. Is it Our Fathers? [17:33] The name of the company? Yeah. No, it's Foundation Cigars. [17:37] I've got to get the name. This is called the Tabernacle. This is his... Foundation cigars. Yeah. Good, right? Oh. Legit, right? Yeah. Yeah. If I had your kind of money, I could afford these, you know. Mm-hmm. [17:48] Foundation. Also, I'm going to send you a box. Give them to me for free.

[17:53] Can I get like a monthly delivery? I bet he will. I bet he will. Just make a little Instagram post or something. He'll be happy to hook you up. [18:01] I got to the friend. He built our house. Huge elk hunter, which I know you are. And so he goes out and he shoots this massive elk. I mean, this monster. The bottom of his horn was like this big round. Just massive. Seven by seven. In Idaho? [18:20] New Mexico. New Mexico is big. Joe. Extraordinary big elk in New Mexico. Yeah. Shot him with a bow. He's a bow hunter like you. So he brings it home. Now he's got his fireplace. All right. [18:33] He's got... [18:34] Two over here, two over here. [18:38] Well, you've got to balance it up, right? Right. One right in the middle. So he gets his horn. You've got the European mount? Yes. That's what he does. So he gets his stepladder. He's got his horn. He's got the screw in the wall or whatever you do to hold it. And he's putting it up. And he's looking at it. And he's like... [18:59] Oh. [19:00] Thank you. [19:00] This is good. This is good. He takes a ladder and he moves it out. He gets in his chair. He's admiring his trophy. And it falls down. No, no, no, no, no. The wife walked in. Oh, no. And she says, what are you doing? He goes. [19:16] Look, babe. [19:17] Seven by seven. [19:19] Look, two, two, one in the middle. Perfectly balanced wall. I want that out of here. What? I want that out of here. Get that out of here. That's not going up there. Bob, get it out of here. He had to take it down. You know where it is now? Where is it now? Garage. I know. I killed him. That's not good. I said, give it to me. I'll hang it in my living room. My wife doesn't care. That's not good. Massive. Yeah. Get it out of here.

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[21:18] Two weeks, a week? A week. Usually a week. A week at a time. Yeah. You go to Mexico? I haven't been to New Mexico, but I want to. New Mexico is like the Gila Mountains out there. That's supposed to be like one of the best elk. That, Arizona, spots of Utah just for volume. Spots of California. Montana's got big elk. Montana's huge elk. I don't know about Wyoming. I know Idaho. Wyoming has big elk. Utah has huge elk. I'm not an elk hunter, but I know all this because the one time I went elk hunting, [21:48] I gave my trainer, my horse trainer, my tag. Oh, really? And I just followed him. [21:53] Oh, wow. Yeah, it was cool. And he shot this huge, six by six. Oh, that's cool. So you gave him the tag and just went along with him. Yeah, I just went along, stayed behind when they had. We got down, you know, crawling around. It was, hey, it's an impressive animal. You've never done it? I don't hunt. You don't hunt at all, just fish? I can't hunt. I don't like to shoot stuff. I get it. Yeah. I get it. I'll kill a snake in a heartbeat. Okay. Or I even have a hard time killing a mouse. Really? [22:23] what it is. Snakes, snakes scare me. [22:26] Centipede? I'll crush a centipede for all he's worth. Then put him in a grinder in the kitchen. Grind that sucker up. He might still be alive. You ever been to Hawaii and got a hold of some centipedes? Joe, Joe, Joe, hear me. Loud and clear. They're dangerous. Yeah, some of them are. Oh, they're gross. Yeah. Yeah. So.

[22:50] No, I'm not hunting. My brother's a hunter. My dad was a hunter. All my uncles are hunters. I don't know why I never did mine. Ain't nothing wrong with that. You don't have to do it. It's not necessary. You could always go to the grocery store. I do that. Yeah, but if you wanted to get it yourself, it's... I enjoy. It's like fishing. I'll go fishing with you. I don't have to fish, and I love to fish. I don't have to fish as long as you're catching fish and having a good time. That's just much fun for me. [23:16] Oh, mercy! A big island man caught a foot-long centipede. [23:23] That dude caught that on the Big Island of Hawaii? Hey, check that out. Hey, but look here. Right here. [23:29] That's crazy. I didn't know they got that big. [23:32] Is that an invasive one or is that that can't be native to Hawaii, is it? [23:37] Yeah. [23:39] Hawaii giant centipedes. Whoa. Is there a secret to this? [23:43] Yeah, you flip the top. [23:46] The other way? [23:47] There you go. [23:48] That's it. Pull that button down. Oh, this? Yep. There you go. Sorry about that. No worries. That one, for some reason, that lighter confuses the shit out of people. [23:58] Yeah, it's pretty good lighter too. Yeah. [24:01] Yeah, that was gross, huh? Ugh. Yeah, so you have no problem killing sine bees. You just don't want to kill an animal. I get it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't... [24:09] But the thing is, if you don't kill them, they get killed by something. It's usually either winter or mountain lions. We raise 27 mallard ducks. [24:16] My wife and I. You raise them? Raise them. Raise them. And so I told her this morning flying down here to Austin. So I told her, I said, we've got five ducks left.

[24:25] . [24:26] What happened to them? Stupid ducks. Now, we live way out in the country. What they're doing is coming out of the lake, walking through the field, crossing over the road. Oh, they get crushed. And they're getting hit on the road. Oh. Why? Why? [24:40] Why, I have no idea. But we have five left out of 27. Are you raising them for eggs? No, we're just raising them for fun. For fun? Just to have ducks hanging around? Yeah, we have ducks, chickens, guineas. Duck eggs are interesting. You ever have them? I'm not eating a duck egg. I don't know why. They're darker yolk. I know that. You ever had a guinea egg? Guinea, what is it? Guinea hen? Guinea hen, yeah. No, I don't think so. Yeah, yeah. It's good for you, but I... The duck eggs are weird. They like coat your mouth. [25:11] You know what I mean? When you eat them, it tastes different, but apparently it's massively high in protein. Yeah, we were talking about eating buffalo and elk. [25:21] You know, coming in today. And I said, well, I've had buffalo. And that elk that my... [25:28] trainer killed [25:30] I can have all of it I want, and I got one little steak. My wife won't let me cook it. [25:36] She won't let you cook it? So it's still sitting there. There's no wild game in the house. See? I know. But it's just meat. You met her earlier, didn't you? Yeah, she seems like a lovely lady. She is a lovely lady. I don't understand why she has a problem with wild games. When we leave her today, go and say, hey, Tammy, how about we go over to the house and have a nice little...

[26:00] little elk steak and, you know, [26:02] That ain't going to happen. Some people have a bad misconception about wild game. You know, they think that it smells bad or tastes bad. I think it's taste. I don't like deer. [26:12] Really? I don't like deer. I like buffalo. I think it's how it's prepared. I guarantee you if you had deer from someone who prepares it well. Do you eat duck? Duck? [26:21] Do we eat duck? Yes, I do. We tried to cook some duck. Yeah. It was horrible. See, this is what we're talking about. No, I think it's just how you're preparing it, really. [26:33] I don't know. I do know this. Mr. Child's got some of the best duck I've ever had. Mr. Child's in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills. Yeah. That's where I eat duck. Fantastic duck. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Now that's good duck. I think they probably do a better job of preparing it. That's all it is. [26:50] We tried to do the roux. [26:52] The roux that you cook, duck in? Mm-hmm, yeah. [26:55] It ended up looking like tar. Right. Do you guys – but do you know how to cook? Well, we thought we did. [27:04] We found that. Is your wife a good cook? Is your wife a good cook? Yes, she is. Anthony Bourdain went on this duck hunt with these guys and cooked the duck for them because they were complaining that duck doesn't taste good, and he got mad at them. He's like, listen, listen, listen. Don't say that. It's not that duck doesn't taste good. It's just you don't know what you're doing. And on the show, he prepares it for them. Got it. And they're like, this is fantastic. [27:25] like yeah that's how you're supposed to prepare duck. [27:28] It tastes really good if you do a good job. Mr. Charles got it down.

[27:32] Yeah, they do. They're chefs, professionals. But my wife and I, we got it out of the computer. [27:38] Oh, okay. You got a recipe. [27:41] A friend of mine [27:42] Sent us five mallards. Right. I think we got two of them out because we didn't know what we were doing. Do they cook down and you don't have a half a bird or what? I don't know. So you've got to make a roux, right? Right. [27:54] You know, the sauce. Right, the sauce. So we got the big pot out, and we're putting this in, that in, this in, that in. Right. Now you heat it, get it this and that. Then you stir, add this and that. And we stir and we stir. And the more we stir, I end up looking like a rubber tire. [28:13] It was... [28:14] It was horrible. [28:15] Well... [28:16] It was seriously... But Terry, I want you to think about it this way. Imagine if someone learned how to play football from YouTube. [28:24] Never played football before. Oh, let's figure out how to play football. We're going to watch a YouTube video on how to play football. And then they went out there and had a fucking terrible game. They looked like shit, right? Right. That's the same thing. It's like you learn how to cook from a recipe if you don't know how to cook. I've got a book out called The Brideshow Family Cookbook. So you can cook. [28:45] Yeah, but I... [28:47] I don't cook stuff like that. I make a roux. Now, my son-in-law, you met Noah? Yes. He's a world-renowned, not a world-renowned, but he's voted the number one chef in Dallas. Oh, wow. Yeah. He's from Hawaii. What restaurants does he cook out of Dallas? Ham's. They hire him. Oh, okay. Does that make sense? Yeah, sure, sure. They hire him. He does these...

[29:11] Goes out and cooks for companies and people. It's amazing. Amazing. Matter of fact, I called him yesterday after church, and I said, I always mess up pork, pork chops. I love pork chops. But I screw them up. And he said, what's got temperature at? I said 350. He said 20 minutes. Take them off. [29:29] That's all I needed to know. It's perfect. It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, you just got to learn how to do it. That's all it is. But it's not that the duck tastes bad. Here's the bad thing about it. I know my banker, who's the one I got the ducks from. His name is Drake Mills. Yeah. [29:44] His name is Drake. Drake. And he has. Drake Ducks. And he has ducks. Ducks. He's a duck hunter. But his name is Drake. Drake. Yeah. That's kind of crazy. [29:53] I know, but he's serious. How ironic. Serious duck hunter. Serious. He plants 500 acres of rice. Oh, serious. Okay. Then he's on the phone with me bitching. It's 80 degrees. [30:07] Duck story. I mean, they are coming in at 80 degrees. Right. It's rice, and he's got water issues. Does he know how to cook duck? No. [30:15] I guess. He's never asked me what I want to eat, a duck, but... [30:20] I asked for some duck. He told me one day he had plenty of duck. And I said, well, Tammy, we don't shoot stuff, but I like duck. [30:28] So he sent us five ducks.

[30:45] Right. The book. Come on, Joe. Yeah. The books are okay. The book says a quarter of something. Really, the right way to do it is to learn from someone who is a really good show. I've got to tell you, I've got to take a break here. This is pretty dang good. It's pretty good. Have you had any more? I have. Cheers. We need to bump again. Let's go. I'm telling you, when this is over with, you'll be sitting over there and I'll be sitting over there. Let's try it. It's got quite a kick, I'll tell you that. There's a lot in there. You can tell it's 135 proof. Oh, it's good. Yeah. [31:12] I think duck cooking, like I've heard people say that wild game tastes bad. It's the best tasty meat in the world. It's just how do you cook it? You eat turkey, wild turkey? Yes, I've had wild turkey. Dang. You're crazy. No. It was delicious. I mean, the only way wild turkey, you eat squirrel. [31:29] I've had Squirrel. [31:30] Yeah. Now see, I grew up on squirrels. Now you tell my wife that or you tell any of my kids that. Oh, God. This is a lot like chicken, right? It's a lot like chicken. Would you agree? You're a stand-up comedian. Yeah. Is that a funny? No, it's kind of chicken-like. It's almost like a squirrel. It tastes like chicken? Well, it's not like a red meat. You eat the brain? [31:49] I have not eaten squirrel brain. Yeah. None of the brain. I've had lamb's brain before. Ugh. [31:54] Yeah, my Uncle Vinny used to cook it. He used to slice up. They used to sell it in the grocery store in New Jersey. They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the brain inside, like sliced in half, and they'd put two halves on the grill, and they would cook lamb's brains on the grill. Hey, I was like 10. I don't know. [32:12] My brother and I used to fight over the squirrel head. Now, I don't want to... The squirrel head used to fight over it? I don't want to gross out our viewers out there. Too late.

[32:22] But we... You take them... [32:24] You take them and you hit them with a spoon and rip it, crack it open. Delicious. I mean, would I eat one today? No. How old were you when you were doing this? I know at least 15 up to 15. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't think anything of it. Brains are sketchy. Like eating brains can get you in trouble. Like that's a. Can I honestly say this? Is this the first interview you've ever done where brains, eating brains has been brought up? Probably not. Oh, not? Have we talked about eating brains before? Yeah, for sure. [32:54] We have? Yeah, definitely. Well, I'm not special. Because of prion diseases. I thought I'd be special today, but evidently not. I think we talked about it in terms of what mad cow disease is. Oh, okay. Mad cow disease comes from them feeding cows cows. It's basically the same disease that cannibals get. Yeah. Yeah. [33:12] Yeah. I'm not familiar with that. Yeah. I know about mad cow disease. They got another one going on right now in South Texas. Is it? Some kind of disease. Oh, the screw worm. Screw worms. Yeah. Yeah. Bruce told me about that. Yeah. [33:24] New world screwed worm. Me, you, horses, dogs. Yeah, yeah. It's apparently a huge problem. They had it in America, I think in the 80s, and they pushed it back. They got rid of it. So hopefully they can get rid of it again. But it's apparently a really dangerous parasite. Yeah, it's a parasite. [33:45] So... [33:45] I mean... [33:47] I got in trouble one time for seeing people were having during the COVID thing. They were taking...

[33:53] Ivermectin. You may have taken Ivermectin. And I gave up. I didn't know any better. I thought I knew, but I didn't know. But Ivermectin, I used to give it to the cattle. [34:05] Right. [34:06] Thank you. [34:07] That's what I mean. Yeah. And I had a, not speaking of brains, this is true. We were in Hawaii. I run into a brain surgeon. [34:15] And he says, are you okay with the COVID thing? And I said, okay. [34:20] I had it, got over it. [34:22] you know I'm alright now and he says well he says boy I tell you he said I'll take ivermectin man that's been I said brain surgeon and I said to him obviously I said [34:33] Really? It's a cattle dewormer. [34:36] Ivermectin kills parasites. [34:40] So I just... [34:41] I left it at that, and I walked away and I'm going, brain surgery. I never could rationalize that kind of thinking. Well, you know, ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for human beings, for use in human beings. No, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's good for yellow fever, dengue fever. It's an antiparasitic that also has antiviral properties. Yeah, I didn't know that. Obviously, I wasn't as well informed as you are. Yeah, well, I got in trouble for it. So did I. [35:11] publicly like on CNN, the White House talked about it. I got over, you don't know the story. So and for the people that know the story, I'm sorry, I have to repeat it. But during the pandemic, I got COVID and we had me and Dave Chappelle were doing a show in Nashville, and I had to cancel it because I had COVID. And so I made a video.

[35:33] saying that I feel better, but we have to cancel the shows. I had COVID. I was sick for a couple of days, but now I'm fine. And I explained all the stuff that I took. [35:42] I took a bunch of stuff, monoclonal antibodies, and one of the things that I took was ivermectin. Yeah. So it became this huge thing on CNN because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. So they had all these different people saying that I was taking horse dewormer. Well, human medication prescribed to me by my doctor, who also took ivermectin, also got COVID, also got better, and he didn't take all the stuff that I took. Yeah. I took a bunch of stuff, but… [36:06] They changed the color of my skin. They made my skin look green on CNN. [36:10] No bullshit. Oh. No bullshit. They AI'd you. They literally put a filter on my face to make me look green. They would put a cow's head over me. I honestly did not know that a human. Takes ivermectin. But I will say. It was actually invented for humans. I actually did know that. And I'm thankful that I didn't argue with anybody. And he wasn't the only one that told me that. Well, the problem was that was a narrative that was all over the news. Yeah. [36:40] that it was horse dewormer. And if you're a person who works with animals, with horses, with cows. I only knew it was cattle. It is a dewormer, but that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine. No, well, they use penicillin on animals. They also use penicillin on humans. It's like it's medicine. We're mammals. We have similar medicines. That's what ivermectin is. It stops viral replication, and that's the benefit that a lot of people. But was it proven to stop? Was it proven? There's a ton of studies. There's a lot of people that have written books. I'm not the guy to talk about it.

[37:10] Yeah. [37:11] A lot of evidence that the reason why they were not telling people to take ivermectin is because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. I got one over here. Thank you. But the reason why they wanted everyone to get vaccinated is not because it was effective. It's because they wanted to make a lot of money, and that's what they did. Well, when you're talking about drugs, you're talking about a lot of money. A lot of money. Yeah, a lot of money. [37:32] So that's why it's ironic that you brought that up because I got caught in the crossfires of the ivermectin bullshit. [37:37] And. [37:38] This episode is brought to you by Activia. You might already be eating yogurt, but not all yogurts are created equal. Activia contains over 1 billion probiotics per serving to survive and reach the gut alive. When it comes to gut health, Activia is the number one family doctor recommended probiotic yogurt brand. Choose Activia. Feel good from the inside out. Visit Activia.ca for more details. [38:05] And see, I but I knew more about it than I did, because I had to find a farmer. It's all I used it for. Yeah, I used it very effective as a dewormer. Yeah, but it also stops viral replication. And but I wasn't going to take it. I don't care if they just said this is I wasn't going to take that. You wouldn't take it even if it was prescribed to you by your doctor. [38:27] Well, it'd be a different story. Right. Well, mine was prescribed to be by my doctor. Well, I'm married to a doctor, and my doctor said, we're not taking him. Really? But I took, you know, I'm one of those guys that if they say, I mean… [38:39] do you [38:40] When I got COVID, I was like,

[38:44] I was sitting... [38:46] And [38:48] My dressing room at Fox felt fine. [38:51] We got tested every Sunday morning. We got tested. They came in and said, you got to go. You got to leave. [38:59] What happened? [39:00] Oh, you've got... [39:01] you got COVID. I'm like, what? Did you get sick? [39:04] No. Oh, now here's the thing. Okay. Here's the thing. [39:09] The question is, [39:11] that came to mind later was, okay, the guy that drove me over here, the guy that's going to take me to the airport, how am I getting home? Right. Do I stay here in the hotel for 10, 12 days? That was my dilemma. What do I do? But I did get sick. I did eventually. I did. Yeah. Took me about four days and I got real sick. Yeah. Did you do anything during those four days? Were you taking vitamins? Nothing? No. Why not? I don't take vitamins. What? I don't take that. No. How [39:41] You're married to a doctor. [39:42] I never have taken vitamins. I don't know why. Really? No. Even when you're playing? No, no. I take a B12 shot. [39:48] Okay. Well, that's a vitamin. But I give it to myself. You give it to yourself? Yeah. Intramuscular? Yeah. Okay. A little tube. We'd take it after practice. Had them in a big bag. We'd take them. Okay. That's good for energy. Yeah. But there's much. Tired. Hot. Tired. But no. Sure. Well, other vitamins too, though. I don't have a problem with MRI machines, PET scans, surgery. Now, I got a bad hip right now. I'm telling you, Joe, it's killing me. Yeah. And I got it injected.

[40:14] with stem cells? No, no, I don't do stem cells. Why not? I don't believe in stem cells. You don't believe in them? No. But you believe in that little baby Jesus? [40:23] Absolutely. To catch this fish for you? No, this I do for leaving. Go ahead and laugh. Joe, you don't want to laugh when I got baby Jesus pointing at it. You better cut that laugh. Listen, bro, if you and I go fishing, I'm going to beg you to point that baby Jesus my way. No, no, no, no. I'm going to give you one. I got hundreds of these. If we go fishing, I really want to point my way. I believe... [40:44] I believe that little baby Jesus works. My question is, how come you don't believe in stem cells? [40:49] Thank you. [40:52] I had too many people [40:54] Based just on people that went and did stem cells. Uh-huh. And what happened? Uh-huh. [41:00] They went back and did it again. Okay. Did it again. Right. Then what happened? What happened? They went back and did it again. Okay. Then what happened? What happened? They went back and did it again. Got it. Okay. Right. Why'd they keep going back? Because it didn't work. Okay. Didn't work at all? Same symptoms came. No, no, no. It worked. It worked for a little bit. Right. Well, what are these people dealing with? What's wrong with them? [41:21] They're going back and back and back. Mostly knees and ankles. Okay. So you're probably talking about arthritis. Yeah. You're probably talking about degenerative... [41:32] Knee conditions, ankle conditions. So the amount of damage that you're trying to repair with stem cells, you're going to get a little bit of benefit in something like that if it's that far gone. But stem cells work. I don't – you know, good. I'm glad. I'm glad they work. You do stem cells? 100%. What? What hurts? I had a rotator cuff tear that completely went away. That's at least a year.

[41:55] That's what you say. At least a year. I had a full-length rotator cuff tear. I got stem cells shot into it. A full tear. Full tear. My doctor told me I 100% was going to need surgery. I went to an orthopedic surgeon that the UFC recommended, so they sent me to their guy. If I finish this, Joe, excuse me. Please go. But if I finish this, I'm probably going to believe you. [42:14] You don't have to believe me or not believe me. I'm telling the truth. So I went to this doctor. He said, you have a full length rotator cuff tear. You're going to need surgery. He goes, you could rehab it if you want. You could try. Maybe make it a little bit better. But ultimately, you're just putting off the surgery. So I get this stem cell treatment in Vegas. Dr. Roddy McGee hooks me up with the stem cell treatment. And then six months later, he gives me an MRI and he says... [42:37] The rotator cuff tear is completely gone. He goes, I've never seen anything like this in my life. He goes, it's gone. [42:43] It literally, the tear doesn't exist anymore. You had baby Jesus in your pocket. No, I had science. All right. Hey. It works. [42:52] You'd be silly to ignore breakthrough science like this because there's a reason why so many people are doing it. The reason why so many people are doing it is – look, it's not a miracle. It's not going to fix things that are unfixable, like bone-on-bone arthritis. It's not going to fix that. That's what I'm doing. But it might reduce some of the inflammation and give you at least temporary relief, which is why these people keep going back again and again and again. When I got cancer – [43:15] I had to do certain treatments, and I have rheumatoid arthritis. Now, if I were still on rheumatoid arthritis medicine, which I haven't been for three years now,

[43:27] I probably wouldn't be having the pain that I'm having. [43:30] but [43:31] You can't take the rheumatoid arthritis after you have [43:37] And so... [43:38] Do you want to risk that? Right. Plus, I kept getting all these... [43:43] cancer things. So you had two types of cancer, right? You had skin cancer. I had bladder and Merkle cell, which is 2% of America has Merkle cell. Both of them [43:55] The bladder cancer was... [43:59] I went to a doctor in Dallas. He checked me and he says, well, you got a little blood in your urine, but that's fine. That's normal or something like that. [44:08] And I kept complaining. And it went on. Finally, I told my wife. I said, boy, something's not right. And so she researched and found the best doctor was at Yale University. Yale. So I went up to New Haven, Connecticut. [44:21] for testing. Went in, exploratory biopsy came out and said, [44:26] You got bladder cancer. [44:29] Wow. [44:29] It's a funny story about that. Funny story. Now, there's nothing funny about cancer. [44:36] The last time I got divorced. You ever been divorced? No. Okay, good. Good for you. So the last time I got divorced. [44:42] Thank you. [44:44] My wife calls me and she says, I need for you to sit down. [44:48] I don't love you anymore. I want a divorce. [44:52] Oh, okay. [44:53] All right? End of that story. Right. So my wife, the wife's sitting outside. After she gets the reports, I didn't know she got the report. She says...

[45:03] Honey. [45:04] I need for you to sit down. [45:07] I ain't sitting down. I don't want another divorce. That's the first thing. It flapped into my head. The last time I heard a woman tell me, sit down, I need for you to sit down, my ass is out of there at 5 o'clock that afternoon. Oy. [45:24] Hey. That's a lot. Yeah. I wouldn't sit down. Bad day. She said, you got bladder cancer. And I said, all right. At least we're not getting a divorce. I can deal with bladder cancer. I can't deal with another divorce. [45:37] about stem cells and bladder? [45:39] Let me ask you something. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about stem cells. They made a bladder for this woman out of stem cells. She had some sort of a bladder issue. I don't remember if it was cancer or what it was, but she had to have her bladder removed. They made a completely new bladder for her out of stem cells with her own skin tissue, put it back in her body. And now that's her bladder. [46:02] So stem cells work. Did that make the news? Yeah. Oh, sure. There's articles written about it. Peer-reviewed papers on it. She's been here? No, she has not been here, nor has the doctor that did it. But I'm aware of the story. It's like putting it in a bowl and you grow it in a bowl. I don't know how they did it because I'm a moron. But someone very smart. I'm totally a moron when it comes to stuff like that. Someone very smart figured out how to make a bladder. [46:24] But if it works for you and you believe it, who am I to... What do you mean believe it? She's got a bladder now. No, if you believe... [46:31] Fine, but I mean –

[46:33] Fine. That's good. Listen, if you ever get injured, holler at me. I'll bring it a ways to, well, get you some stem cells, and then we'll have another conversation afterwards. You're like, wow, I fixed it. We're not arguing here. No, we're not arguing. But I'm saying there's real reasons why these people travel to Tijuana and go to these different places. And they die in Tijuana. [46:56] What was the great doctor that went to Mexico to have all the stem cells done? Who did that? [47:03] He was the ghost. What was his name? The actor. [47:09] Also... What, Zemecki died? [47:12] Two actors went down there for stem cells. When stem cells first came out, you know, they wouldn't do it. Remember when they wouldn't do it in America? Yes. So they were going to Germany and they were going to Mexico. Yeah. Germany was a lot for Regenicene. Yeah. They were going for different procedures. Because I know Fred Couples was going to Germany. Yeah. [47:28] Well, I mean Kobe Bryant went to Germany. Peyton Manning went to Germany. They went to Germany for Regenikine, which is like a very – that's not stem cells as much. That's something – What is it? It's a very advanced form of platelet-rich plasma like PRP. It's like PRP, but it's way more effective. I had that done too. That cured a bulging disc for me. [47:50] One of the things they're doing now, and I don't know what it is, [47:52] I don't know how we got on this, by the way. Stem cells. Yeah. [47:56] But cancer is now... [47:59] What are they? What is what's it called? When you go in, they spend your blood and they then put it back in you.

[48:06] What is that called? Do you know what it is? PRP? That's what we were just talking about. Platelet-rich plasma? Yeah. Then put it back in? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Look. Well, there's a bunch of different things. Plasma phoresis. It's another thing. They take the plasma out. I don't know why. And I'm not sitting here... [48:25] I'm not sitting here saying, hey, Joe, you're crazy. [48:29] All right. You did it. You wouldn't be the first. No. You did it. You believe in it. It happened for you. [48:35] you know, [48:36] All right. I don't mind taking a shot. I'll take a shot all day long. Okay. You don't, you put anything in your body with a needle? [48:42] anything? Not anything. I mean, I'm pretty careful about it. I would hope so. Yeah, don't just try it out. Let's see what happens when I put this in my body with a needle. Yeah, it's [48:55] And [48:56] Look, I got a sister-in-law that's totally this way, and I'm totally that way. You're one way, and that's good. That's what makes the world go around. What does a sister-in-law do? What do you mean? What does that mean? Is she a liberal? [49:10] No, absolutely not. Very much Republican conservative. Yeah. Okay. So how is she different than you? In what way? [49:18] Shit. [49:20] If it works and I think it's going to work, I'm not afraid to try it. Right. I was – when I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and I'm laying in a hospital and they take me and they isolate me. Isolate me because they didn't know what was wrong with me.

[49:38] Thank you. [49:38] Test, test, test, test. [49:42] Boy, I'm in a hurry than to go in and do... [49:48] I want to say stem cells. I want to say it because that's the first thing that comes to mind. [49:53] Went into my knee... [49:55] and [49:57] I sat in the hospital for two more days and felt fine. And then they released me and I went home. And... [50:03] I was home one day and in the middle of the night I'm screaming and hollering in pain. My wife, she gets up and thank God at that time I owned a plane so I could get on the plane and... [50:16] get back to Florida and [50:19] Got down there and that's when they found out I had rheumatoid arthritis. [50:23] And they had to bring a specialist in to find out what the hell was going on with me. So is it only the knees? [50:28] Yeah, only the knee. Okay. Only the knee. That's where the knee. I never – there's no rheumatoid arthritis in my family. None. You can't find it anywhere. But isn't rheumatoid arthritis systemic? When most people have it, don't they have it everywhere? That's what I thought. Well, yeah, but look at – But if you have it in your – Yeah, but look. This finger's just turning. That thumb's just now turning. My hand's – [50:52] Right now... [50:53] Because I don't take any medicine, the only thing that hurts in the morning before I take – do you take Celebrex? Do you believe in Celebrex? What is Celebrex? Celebrex anti-inflammatory. No, I don't take that. Okay, I take an inflammatory in the morning. That's all I can take. I take turmeric. Okay. I take an anti-inflammatory. And that takes about 80% of the pain away. It doesn't hurt anywhere else.

[51:15] Now, my hip is starting to kill me. [51:20] My ankle was killing me. How many years did you play football for? Fourteen. Fourteen professional. That's four. That's high school, junior high, high school, college, professional. And I played back in the 70s when... [51:33] I mean, come on. Yeah. Shit hit the fan back then. Right. What were the surgeries like back then? I mean, it was tough. Yeah. Back then, they'd shoot you up. [51:44] You're going to play. That's how it was. You're going to play. When I pulled my stomach muscles and they were shooting me up before the game, [51:52] And then at halftime, I'd get shot up again. What were they shooting you up with? Stomach block. I'd torn the... [51:59] You tore your oblique and they just made you keep playing. [52:03] They didn't make me. But you wanted to. What were they shooting you up with? Cortisone or something? Stuff. I don't know. Stuff? Stuff. I don't know. Joe, I'm not a doctor. Come on, man. Are you a doctor? Hey, let me just say this. I can play, all right? I get it. I didn't have a problem with it. Okay. It worked. Scary. [52:20] You don't want your legs up in the air and some doctor coming in there and didn't give it a thought at all. [52:29] It's kind of the way it was. It was the unspoken... [52:34] bravado got it yeah you know that football players they back in the can you imagine the 50s and the 60s oh my goodness jeez louise well what year did you start playing professionally 70 70 70 70 70 wow

[52:50] I'm 77. Wow. You're what? 50? 58. 58. Almost 59. Yeah. I'm 77. Yeah. Wow. [52:59] So I just didn't think anything. Everybody said, well, how'd you get used to all that? I grew up with it. When you grow up with it. It's normal. Normal. Yeah. It's all part of it. You play. And as a quarterback, I think back then or any time, quarterbacks play. Coach has got to know that he can rely on his quarterback to be out there and no matter what. And I even had... [53:20] One coach say, hey, you always play hurt. [53:23] You always play hurt. Yeah, I do. Shoot me up. [53:28] Block it. Shoot me up with stuff. Yeah, let's have it. Stuff, yeah. You don't ask what it is. [53:38] Okay. [53:39] We played Cincinnati one year, and the night before the game, there's a lineup of players going into a room to be shot up. [53:48] Whoa. Yo! [53:50] Yeah. [53:50] It's just normal. [53:52] And you don't know what they were shooting them up with? [53:55] Well, we played, didn't we? I told you, stuff. [54:02] And you didn't think anything of it, nobody. Right. It was just normal. [54:06] Normal. Normal. You got to play. Yeah. [54:09] He's a doctor. Hey, it's part of the, you know, everybody, hey. Did they have steroids back then? Yeah, they did. I just didn't know why one player was built like Atlas, skin tight, muscles bulging.

[54:26] Didn't know he, you know. [54:28] Didn't know anything about it. Howie Long... [54:30] You never had Howie on the Howies? No, I've never had Howie. Howie's amazing. Now, Howie tells this story. He was a rookie defensive tackle, no, defensive end at this time. He lined up over our tight end, Larry Brown, whose arms were this big around, and he had like a 22-inch waist, massive legs, ripped, every muscle. You could see the muscles in it. It's the most gorgeous body on a human being you've ever seen. [55:00] and how he lined up over him and how he tells us how he's the best. And how he goes, you've got to be effing kidding me. He said he'd never seen anything like that. [55:12] So I'm not saying Larry did steroids or anything like that, but he was something else. But he might have. [55:18] Might have. I don't know. They might have. Some people were. Yeah, might have. What year did steroids enter into sports? Well, I think it became an issue after the 70s, correct? Well, it was an issue in the Olympics. And one of the things they were noticing was Eastern Bloc women. [55:35] Hey, I'm going to do an interview. Okay, Nancy. They were very womenly. Yeah. They seemed to. And then those women reported about it. They talked about it back in the day, that they were forced to take steroids and it ruined their life. Not good for you, that's for sure. Oh, especially for a woman to take hyper-male, for sure. You and I could probably sit here...

[56:01] And talk about certain athletes that have had such a body change. [56:06] All right? [56:07] Yeah, for sure. And go. [56:10] You know, you've got to be kidding me. Yeah. And then I think rightly or justifiably so, it was probably due to steroids. We wouldn't want to say that. Wouldn't want to mention that. I'd say it, yeah. Yeah. Well, I know a lot of guys who have taken steroids, especially because of the early days of the UFC. Yeah. Everybody was taking steroids. Yeah. And Pride and Japan, everyone was taking steroids. Yeah. Not everyone, but most people. Rampage didn't. But there's a good percentage of people that didn't. [56:40] Thank you. [56:41] When you found out later that steroids are not good for you, they soften the tendons, the ligaments, and then all of a sudden these athletes start having problems. They start getting hurt. They start getting hurt. Start getting hurt. I think what happens is the muscles are too strong for the tendons. These tendons take too long. They don't grow at the same pace as muscle tissue does when you're on steroids. They don't have the same sort of circulation. I don't know the dynamics or the physics of it. [57:11] Muscles get big, but the tendons don't grow very well. [57:14] To match the muscles? Exactly. It takes longer for tendons to strengthen. Tendons don't have as much circulation. They don't have a good blood supply. That's why it's so hard when a tendon gets injured to heal. So what happens a lot of times is these guys develop these massive muscles, and they can move so much more weight, but the tendons haven't really caught up to what the muscles can do. And a lot of times these guys wind up blowing out tendons. I mean, that wrestling bunch, I mean, every one of those guys looked like an Adonis. Oh, yeah, especially back in the day.

[57:44] early days. Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger. Yeah. Well, he's open about it. You know, he took a lot of stories. You know what? [57:51] we know it someone say it yeah yeah we're not stupid well that's a sport where it's required if you want to be mr olympia it's no there's no way to get that kind of a body without steroids doesn't exist what about the what about the wrestlemania bunch you were part of that i'm sure i wasn't i wasn't a part of that uh but i'm sure at all no no no okay no but i'm sure a bunch of those guys probably take it too that's how you get big [58:15] And if you're a wrestler and you want to be on WrestleMania, if you want to be a professional wrestler, you want to be this hulking figure, there's one way to do it. You've got to take steroids. It's not a normal physique for someone to attain. And you don't get tested for it. Exactly. That's why the early days of the UFC, there was no testing. And then when it started getting sanctioned, then we were tested by athletic commissions. And then eventually the UFC realized we've got a real problem where these guys are figuring out how to beat the athletic commissions testing because it's only one day. [58:45] So it was really more... [58:46] They would call it an intelligence test rather than an IQ test. Yeah. And so then they started using USADA, and USADA would just randomly test people, and then they started catching people. And that's when physiques really changed. [58:58] Yeah. [58:59] you know, [59:00] Okay. [59:02] That year, I'll say it, that year when those baseball players were hitting 60 home runs like it was nothing. Yeah. And you're looking at them and going, she is. [59:11] This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Summer is great, isn't it? It's the perfect season for adventures, but it can also be pretty exhausting juggling chaotic schedules and trying to make the most of summer. That's why it's important to take a moment for you.

[59:28] Go out for a weekend without planning anything and just have fun or relax at home. Or if you're really struggling, try therapy with BetterHelp. [59:39] With a network of over 30,000 quality therapists, they can connect you with the right one, just like they have for millions already across the globe. Together, you can work out what you need and how you can enjoy summer to the fullest. You don't have to say yes to everything this summer. Find support in therapy. Sign up and get 10% off at BetterHelp.com slash J-R-E. [1:00:09] dot com slash JRE. [1:00:12] Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was the best. Yeah. They should give them all steroids. It's the only time baseball's fun. I'll tell you what. [1:00:20] It was, the viewers were tuning in. A hundred percent. Yeah. The Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa days, Barry Bonds. Yeah. Yeah. [1:00:29] Barry went from 185 to... I met Barry when he was normal sized. When he was like a normal athlete and then he just got giant. But also... [1:00:41] He was a great baseball player first. First. And then you give him all those steroids, and now he's got all this muscle, and he's just cracking them out of the park. [1:00:48] Those are the good old days. They should have looked away. They should have turned their head away. Boy, I'll tell you what. I don't see nothing. Everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do you like home runs or not? Let's go.

[1:01:07] That's from Joe Rogan, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be back in a minute. The problem is it's the great American pastime, and you don't want to associate the great American pastime with what people think is cheating. [1:01:18] Yeah, that's – yeah. Look, there's guys that didn't need to do it to be in the Hall of Fame, and they're getting barred from the Hall of Fame. That's true. Barry's one of them. Barry was a great player with that. Fantastic player. Yeah. Mark McGuire. And so was Mark McGuire. And so was Sammy Sosa. Yeah. Didn't need it. No. I don't – maybe they didn't think they'd be noticed. Maybe they didn't think they'd get caught. These guys got giant. I don't know how they didn't think that people would notice. They got enormous. Yeah, for sure. [1:01:48] You know, hey, it is what it is. I mean – [1:01:51] It was a fun time, though. Yeah. Fun time for baseball. I mean, you know... [1:01:57] I remember people asking me, they said, "You didn't know your guys were on steroids?" and, "Hell, I didn't know what steroids was." I remember one time, I was at the Hall of Fame, that was the question that came to me about steroids. I didn't know any better. I said, "Hell, everybody takes steroids." I took steroids for this, you know, but not antibiotics still, right? Right, you took cortisone. Yeah, I didn't correlate the two differences. And one guy comes up to me, "You idiot, it's..." [1:02:24] There's two types, at least, that we know of, and I didn't know. [1:02:27] Yeah, that's actually fun. [1:02:30] Let me tell you the truth. Tell me the truth. I'm glad. I'm glad that I was blindfolded. I'm glad my brain didn't function like that. I'm glad I didn't look at anybody and go, what's he on?

[1:02:41] I just held out this, they're lifting weights, brother. They're just lifting weights. God bless them. You know? Well, that's a good attitude to have. Yeah, and then they say, well, your team was on steroids. Well... [1:02:54] If that's the case, it wasn't illegal. [1:02:57] Everybody was doing it. Right. Not only that, but let's be realistic. Most teams were on steroids because you're professionals and you want to do your best. And if you've got a bunch of guys and the way they can do their best is to be as strong as they possibly can be. [1:03:11] They're going to take steroids, especially when it's legal. Yeah, it just... [1:03:15] You don't want to say it was a product of the times, but in essence it was. Well, every time the times change, when there's something effective that comes along like steroids, you're going to have a bunch of people that want an edge. And there was a time where people thought of creatine like steroids. Yeah. [1:03:30] Right? Yeah. Creatine is a very beneficial supplement that everybody should take. It's great for your brain. It's great for mitochondrial function. It's great for muscle. I heard blueberries are good for your brain. Blueberries are good for your brain. Frank O'Hara used to tell me, breath. [1:03:44] Are you eating a lot of blueberries? I said, Franco, you're not going to believe this, but I buy blueberries all the time because of you. He goes, good for your brain, good for your brain. They are. And I love blueberries. Yeah. [1:03:54] A lot of antioxidants in them, too. Yeah. Blueberries are just great, period. Yeah. But when you're doing things for your body when you're a professional athlete – [1:04:04] Like, of course there's going to be a bunch of people that are on steroids. Like, if you want to get bigger, that's the way to do it. [1:04:10] Like, what are we doing here? We're lying? I think they do it today.

[1:04:15] Do you think they don't do it today? That's the real question. No, I asked you. They definitely do something. They do whatever the fuck they can get away with. Do you see how big these kids are coming out of high school? Well, there's also genetics. Like, people change. Well, kids nowadays are eating better, training better. Eating better, training better, more nutrition. Exactly. Exactly. They're huge. They're huge. You know, I think my offensive line in the 70s averaged about maybe 260. [1:04:40] 260. Wow. That's like a hundred pounds difference in today, right? Now you're having these coaches. My offensive line this year is going to be 6'5", 372. And you go, whoa. That's huge. And then they'll say something like, [1:04:57] But got quick feet. Okay, got quick feet. I love quick feet. It's crazy when you see some of these guys doing the 40. Bob, you've been on the sideline? I've watched videos. I haven't been live. Go to the sideline. Go to the sideline. Seven feet tall, 440 pounds. That is crazy. [1:05:18] Seven foot 380. Oh, my God. Look at that. As an eighth grader. Go back to that picture. [1:05:27] 10, 450 pounds. [1:05:29] In fucking junior high school. Junior high school. [1:05:35] Yeah. Desmond Weston. Look at Desmond Watson. Where's he going? 464 pounds. Heaviest player. Wow. Oh, he's in the NFL. Yeah. NFL history.

[1:05:48] 464 pounds. [1:05:50] That's so big. Here's what I'll say about my guys. My guys could put on their pants and... [1:05:57] Nothing rolled over. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. They were flat-bellied. They were in shape because we ran a... We ran a... Our game was... [1:06:05] All about motion, traps and specials and leads and stuff like that. They had to run. They had to run, and they ran. And if they were 400 pounds, you're going to pull this guy 400 pounds? I mean – [1:06:20] So if I were... [1:06:22] Coach today, [1:06:24] Just my thinking, what I want, I want an athletic guy. I don't want a big guy. I don't want a guy that you go, all right, we're going to do gassers. Billy John, William Earl. [1:06:37] Y'all go ahead and go on and get a shower. No, 380 or whatever they can. They can't run gassers. Right. They can't run gassers. Right. You know, or run the mile. We had to run a Steeler mile every year when we got to training camp. Well, if you're 300 and... [1:06:51] 25, 35. [1:06:53] I don't want to pigeonhole everybody because there are some guys I've seen in the NFL that I've walked by before the game started. And I turned to Howie. Howie's always at. We're always together. I went, holy. Isn't there a utility, though? Isn't there a value, a function of a big, giant dude that maybe can't run gassers but can stop a play dead in its tracks because you're running into a brick wall? Right. Maybe he's only got to go five yards. That's what I'm saying. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:07:24] Right, I understand. That wasn't what I was taught. But obviously you're a fan of the game still, and you still watch the game. How much has the game changed from when, like, 1970, your first year in the NFL? We're talking about it. But, like, big. But would you imagine that the guys from 1970 would fit right into today's game? Oh, no. No. [1:07:44] Size. Joe Green made the Hall of Fame at 275. Wow. 275. Jack Lambert, 218. Edmett, a linebacker. [1:07:53] Hall of Famer. Jack Hamm. How big was Jim Brown in his prime? [1:07:56] Jim Brown, I never played against Jim Brown. Right. It was before your time. How big was Jim Brown? Probably 220, maybe 215. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. So I always say size-wise, we can't do it. And then, of course, if you want to really get into it, then talk about money and stuff like that. Right. But size-wise... [1:08:15] Size-wise. [1:08:16] I will say this. [1:08:18] The wide receivers, the quarterbacks, the running backs could play today. And probably the tight ends. [1:08:25] My center weighed 252. [1:08:28] And I always say, since I'm in the cattle business, I'll take a little young bull. [1:08:32] I'll take my Angus bull over your Charolais bull any time. Your Charolais bull or Simmental is going to be huge up off the ground, but my Angus bull is going to get under him and be able to control him with... [1:08:43] with technique. Wait a minute, you got bulls fighting each other? Is that what you're saying? No, Joe, you're not listening. I'm trying to listen. You're okay. You get some rest last night? I did. Okay, good. Fully rested. Work out today. You got a big bull.

[1:08:57] Right? [1:08:58] Yeah. He's got a big bull. The little bull can get under him. He's already got the leverage because he's under the big bull. Got it. The big bull's got to get down to get leverage on the little bull. I understand what you're saying. He's got all the mass and the weight outnumbers him. Sort of like Mike Tyson in his prime. Woo! [1:09:12] That's a bad sucker. Bad as it gets. Bad. Baddest man ever. He came in a restaurant I was in and he saw him and he came over and he pulled up a chair. There was a... [1:09:22] Al, and I'm sitting over here next to the wall, and then there's dinner chairs here. He went over. He pulled up a chair, slid over, blocked the aisle, and we talked about Johnny Unitas for an hour. Wow. Mike Tyson. That's pretty cool. Well, he's a giant fan of all kinds of athletes. You know, I mean, that guy studies. He studies warriors and athletes and former generals. Really? Oh, he knows so much about Genghis Khan. Me and him, we had this long conversation. [1:09:52] Did you think about Genghis Khan? Yeah, I did. I knew a lot about it. Well, not a lot, I would say, but I got pretty obsessed. There's a guy named Dan Carlin. He's got a fantastic series called Hardcore History. It's a podcast. And he had this series on Genghis Khan called The Wrath of the Khan. And that got me obsessed. That opened up the door. And then I started reading books on Genghis Khan and watching documentaries. And I got obsessed. Yeah, I'm a huge documentary guy. But he knew so much about Genghis Khan. [1:10:22] Which was Temujin he knew his whole story about how he was born with a blood clot in his hand it did Mike knew everything about it yeah, Mike studies like Conquerors, you know, he's like really know that. Yeah, yeah, he's a very smart guy that people would know that Mike is a very interesting guy He's not he's not what people think of you think of Mike Tyson's being it's like mindless destroyer now He's very intelligent and he ever you ever you ever you ever

[1:10:48] You ever think about a message from the beer store, alcohol containers purchased in Ontario subject to deposit can be returned to the beer store or authorized empties return locations for a full deposit refund. Well, the legal was the ad. So now I've got to make this quick. Return your empties, reclaim your deposit. Learn more at thebeerstore.ca. [1:11:06] Why do athletes have an image? My image was I was the dumb guy. [1:11:12] You ever have, you ever ask yourself a question, why? [1:11:16] Why is your opinion about Mike Tyson so different now since you interviewed him? But prior to that, [1:11:23] That wasn't out in the press, was it? No, I mean. Maybe later in his career, but. You'd have to watch a guy fight like that, and he fought so brutally. And if you weren't a student of boxing, you wouldn't understand, like, the amount of thinking that has to take place to get that good. Like, it's not just that he's just running at people and punching them. He's bobbing and weaving. He's being incredibly elusive. He's shifting his weight to the left and shifting his weight to the right. He's cutting angles like a middleweight. [1:11:53] these guys that they've never seen a heavyweight do before. And he also was a giant student of boxing. So his manager was a guy named Jim Jacobs. Also a short guy. He was like 5'11 in his prime for a heavyweight. There's the bull issue right there. Bull, like 20-inch neck. I mean, he was a tank. And his manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs. Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian. And he had all of these old film reels of everyone, from Jack Johnson to Stanley Ketchel

[1:12:23] Jack Dempsey, like all the old time fighters. And Mike would watch those all day long. So he would train and he would watch these guys all day long. So he had an access to film footage that most fighters, all you could see is the guys in the gym and the guys that you saw fight live back in those days in the 80s. There was no VHS tapes. There was no real tapes of boxing that you could watch back then. So this is when Mike was like 13. [1:12:53] film of the greatest – Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest boxers of all time, Willie Pep, Rocky Marciano. He's watching all these guys and absorbing their styles and figuring out – like it takes – [1:13:04] intelligence to do that. That's not what a dumb guy would do. A dumb guy wouldn't see, oh, when he does this, it's because of that, so he can avoid the counter and duck underneath and hit him at an angle where he can't hit him. [1:13:19] Beautiful. I'm going to incorporate that into my training and figure out how to find those patterns in sparring. [1:13:26] Because you hear a counterpunch. Mm-hmm. Do you know how hard it is... [1:13:31] And I'm not a boxer, but when someone – you watch their training, and then they're like, when he does this, counterpunch. Do you know how fast that – do you know how fast that brain has to work for you to counterpunch? Oh, you have to be lightning fast. Lightning fast. And you have to have trained it a thousand times. You want to be hit all day long in the face and the stomach and – [1:13:52] It's a tough way to make a living, but so is football.

[1:13:55] And especially back when you guys were playing, when they would just shoot you up with stuff. Well, they were different for sure, but not boxing. Holy cow. I met Muhammad Ali one time. [1:14:04] I was 6'3 and a half. I'm 6'1 and a half now. And I was looking up to him, and I'm sure he wasn't any taller, but I was looking up to him because I was so impressed. [1:14:16] We had a [1:14:18] We had a great... [1:14:20] first time meeting. He was a fan of mine. I didn't know it. It was like, huh. [1:14:24] That made me great. And I went to a couple of banquets that he was at, and he had sent notes down to me to come down and say hello to him. [1:14:32] I'm going to bother him. And I'd go to him. Hey, champ, how you doing? It's Terry Bradshaw. Yeah, yeah. Hey, have you heard this one? He'd tell me a joke. A joke. That's the last thing I expected, you know, from Muhammad Ali. [1:14:46] Yeah, but I love Muhammad Ali. That was an incredibly intelligent guy. And also the first guy to figure out how to get attention by talking. And we hated him for it. I didn't like him. [1:14:58] Did you like him? I loved him. I didn't like him. I was younger. I didn't like him. I grew up in an era of respect. Right. You respect your opponent. You don't say anything bad about them. You give them all the praise when it's all said. You respect your opponent. You don't showboat. You don't do anything. You don't run into the end zone. You don't do this. You respect your opponent. And that's the way... [1:15:23] that I was raised. And actually the way I was coached. And I had a hard time, a hard time when Billy White Shoes Johnson of Houston would get in the end zone. He'd start doing that dance and everything. I don't like it at all. And Billy White Shoes is a

[1:15:41] He's a good dude, you know. But I didn't like it. I just don't like any athlete. [1:15:47] Drawing attention to himself. If you're playing tennis or golf, okay, that's one thing because it's you. But when you're playing a team event, somebody else had to do that job too. Right. I just had a hard time with that. I see what you're saying. Yeah. In a team sport. But in boxing, boxing is just one-on-one. But you still didn't like it even in boxing. Bragging. Yeah. And now I look back. Now, of course, I love it now. Yeah. But he knew what he was doing. Well, it's psychological warfare. [1:16:17] Thank you. [1:16:18] Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, he had Sonny Liston so confused before he fought him. He would show up at Sonny Liston's house in the middle of the night and stand on his lawn and scream at him. [1:16:27] Yeah, he was just fucking with that guy's head. He was climbing inside of his head and making sure that all day long he's thinking about him. And he also thought he was a legitimate insane person. The way he was acting, he was not acting like a rational person. So he was worried all the time. So he's worried that you're around this insane person. [1:16:46] You ever see the video where they met? Listen, if you can do that. [1:16:52] and back it up, which he did. [1:16:55] Then I tip my hat to you. Did you ever see the video where they ran into each other at a casino? No. So Sonny Liston was at a casino. I think Sonny was playing cards, and Muhammad Ali, back when he was Cassius Clay, came up behind him, and he starts ranting and raving and saying crazy shit, and Sonny pulls out a gun and shoots it into the air, and everybody scatters. It was a blank gun. But he anticipated that Ali was going to do that to him. So he said, I'm going to scare the shit out of this.

[1:17:25] Let's play crazy. See if you can find that video, Jamie. The video is amazing. It's amazing because he just pulls this and then he shows. Here it is. Put your headphones on real quick. [1:17:36] Grab his headphone. [1:17:39] Yeah, pull it up. Bring it back to the beginning. Drawing a gun, Sonny fired. The whole situation finally came to a head when Clay approached Liston at the Desert Inn in Las Vegas, where the champ was shooting craps and losing. Liston was in no mood to be harangued by the mouth from the south. Drawing a gun, Sonny fired, frightening his young tormentor into a hasty retreat. The gun was filled with blanks. [1:18:09] It was just a blank. That is crazy, though. So he was prepared. Isn't that funny? He had blanks. That's crazy, brother. That's pretty smart. Is it? Yeah, because you got this guy's acting crazy. Like, I'm going to out-crazy him. I don't want to shoot anybody, but I'm going to out-crazy him. Get me a gun with some blanks. [1:18:28] and just pull it out. He must have known. Alex Baldwin had a huge lawsuit because he pulled out whether the gun was a blank and killed somebody. I mean, that's... Yes, that was a problem with the person who was handling the guns. Yeah, exactly. What? What? [1:18:42] Well... [1:18:43] If that wasn't even Sonny, listen. [1:18:45] What do you mean that wasn't Sonny Liston? That absolutely was Sonny Liston. [1:18:49] It says it's from a movie. [1:18:51] Bro, that's Sonny Liston. He probably played himself dramatizing retelling of his own life that Man with the Gun is an actor, not Sonny Liston. Let me see that again. Because he knows the movie set.

[1:18:59] What? That's what it says. So it's a recreation of the actual scene that happened? Yeah. [1:19:03] There's no real footage of Liston firing a gun at Ali. What? There's a dramatic clip circulating online. The one in nearly every rare footage post is a scene from a 1977 film. [1:19:14] Called The Greatest. Oh, I saw that movie. So let me see it again. [1:19:18] Can I see the video again? [1:19:21] That's crazy. [1:19:24] That's crazy. I would have swore that's Sonny Liston. You're listening to a narrator talk, and this one even has a narrator. Wasn't Sonny Liston bald? No. No, Sonny Liston wasn't bald. [1:19:34] No. Oh, that isn't Sonny List. Well, the video is so blurry. [1:19:40] All right, there you have it. Wow. That's not Sonny Liston. Oh, my God. I feel like such a dumbass. Find footage of Sonny Liston training. So he was, back in the day, he was the scariest heavyweight. Sonny Liston was the guy. He was. When he was in the present. [1:19:58] What's that? When he went to prison? Yeah, he went to prison. But it was the way he won the title, the way he knocked out Floyd Patterson. It looked like Floyd Patterson had no business being in there with him. He was that good, that good and that big. And a lot of people going into that fight thought Muhammad Ali had no chance. They thought that he was going to get killed. Because Ali was a very good fighter. He was up and coming, really fast with his footwork and his movement. But everybody thought that it was just a matter of time before Liston got him. That's crazy. [1:20:28] that guy, that actor. Is that the actor that was in...

[1:20:34] Magnum P.I.? [1:20:37] I think it is. [1:20:38] The actor's name is Roger E. Mosley. Yeah, Magnum B.I. Uh-huh! [1:20:43] Look at you. Look at me. You proud of yourself? A little bit. I feel slightly better now, but I'm ashamed that I didn't realize that that wasn't actually Sonny Liston. So find some footage of Sonny Liston training. [1:20:55] Even on this, some of this I think has already got some AI footage in it. Oh, really? Well, there's footage of him hitting the – there's Sonny. There's footage of Sonny hitting the bag, and he would just put these holes in the bag. He had just murderous punching power. He was such a dangerous guy, and everyone was scared of him back then. Because he was this towering, hulking figure, Dr. Brietti had massive hands. [1:21:19] And, I mean, he would brutalize his sparring partners. I mean, Sonny Liston was putting people away. [1:21:25] I mean, he – look at the size of his hands. Just gigantic hands and tremendous power. [1:21:32] But, you know, [1:21:34] Ali figured out a way to just... [1:21:35] It didn't even look like the punch that took him out was even that big a punch. That's the second fight. That's the Lewiston, Maine fight. Oh, that's the second one? Yeah, that's the fight when they fought in Lewiston, Maine. And that one is very tricky. So he would hit guys with jabs and have them rocked. His hands were so massive and his power was so extraordinary. You ever boxed? I did some boxing. I did it one time. I did kickboxing, but I didn't do any sport boxing. No, no, no, no, kickboxing. [1:22:02] You get that. Bad enough you hit me with your fist. Don't kick me with your feet. I don't want any part of that. But I boxed one time, one round.

[1:22:11] And I said, that's it. That's it. Again, it's like cooking duck. It's something you've got to learn how to do. You can't just jump in and think you're going to be good at it. Yeah, well, I wasn't good at it. Not only that, I don't want to be hit. Yeah. Not fun. Well, back in the day, in your day, the way guys would treat getting hit, if you got hit, there was no, like, take a game off, get evaluated. No. Nothing. [1:22:41] protocol. Hop right back in, son. Are you awake? I played against the Minnesota... No, the... [1:22:47] a Miami Dolphins in a playoff game, and I got knocked out. And I mean knocked out. And I guess I came to in the fourth quarter. I went back in. Played pretty good, too. Wow. Not bad. Lost the game, but yeah. So you got knocked out, woke up, and then they put you back in after you woke up. Well, something like that. Wow. I went out in the first quarter, I think. I scored on a touchdown, kept it, got knocked out, and came back in the fourth quarter. [1:23:18] Different. [1:23:18] Different. Different. Oh, yeah. Nowadays, if a player gets knocked out, how much time do they make them take off? They're going to a tent, and now you have a concussion guy in the booth representing the NFL, so they'll tell you to get him out. Right. And they go into a tent, and they get evaluated. More than likely, if they've been stunned, they're not going back in. How much time do they make them take off before they let them play again? But they have to get evaluated every week. Right. So it could be. What is that? Little baby cigars.

[1:23:48] It's when you don't want to finish a big one. Oh, yeah. [1:23:51] Little tiny ones. They're little Monte Cristos. Oh, okay. I like these sometimes. [1:23:55] Thank you. [1:23:55] Right. So, but when they do that, and these guys are KO'd today, if they get knocked out, do they have like a 30-day rule? No, it's not 30 days, but they do go, it's a week, they go in, they keep getting evaluated. [1:24:13] They have to. You'll have you'll have some guys. There's no set timeline for discovery. There you go. Well, for recovery, rather, players must progress through these graded exertion phases without any increase in symptoms. [1:24:24] Symptom-limited activity, prescribed rest with limited physical and cognitive activity, transitioning to light stretching and monitored light aerobic exercise. [1:24:33] So with the UFC, when a guy gets knocked out, generally athletic commissions put a hold on them, like it's a 90-day hold. And then some of them have like 60-day no contact, so they're not even allowed to spar for 60 days. If you get knocked out and that brain gets rattled like that, it's... [1:24:50] Thank you. [1:24:51] The best game I've played in high school. [1:24:53] The best game I played in high school. [1:24:55] A guy by the name of Larry Brewer. I fumbled coming out of it. [1:25:00] of the pocket in high school against Minden High School. I'm rolling to the right, and I think the ball hits my leg. [1:25:07] And it hits the ground and it's going, boom, boom. And I'm chasing it. And by the time I get to the ball and get my hands on it, I pick my head up.

[1:25:19] Boom. [1:25:20] Out. [1:25:22] I don't remember anything. Then... [1:25:26] I'm back in the game, and I mean, it's the best game I played in high school. Hey, Joe, dead serious. Best game I played in high school. Maybe I wasn't worried. I don't know. That's what I was going to ask you. It's crazy. I wonder if that's it. Listen, I've been to a couple of clinics. [1:25:45] Just for... [1:25:47] Just for brain work. Just to get... [1:25:51] Checked out? Yeah, all the tests that they could possibly do, extensive tests, because I was having trouble remembering, did I open the gate? Did I open the gate this morning? Right, right. [1:26:01] I did. I opened the gate. I'm sure I opened the gate. And I pushed the button. And when the button's green, the gate is moving. And then it goes red. It stopped. I mean, it goes yellow. It stopped. Then I push a button. It goes red. It's holding. It's staying open. Six times. I remember six times. And I'm like... [1:26:19] Did I push this button? Then I remember, okay, something's wrong. Someone got checked. [1:26:25] Yeah. How long ago was this? Years ago. Years. 30 plus years ago. And did they do something for you? [1:26:33] Did they... [1:26:36] Ah... [1:26:37] No, I don't think so. I don't think anything came. I remember testing. I got tested and found out I had ADD, which was not a shocker, but was a shocker. I think everybody has that. Yeah. Everybody's any good at anything, has it? Yeah. Creative people have ADD. Creative people and people that are, like, really into one thing. Yeah. Like, full on into it. Well, they said, well, you're focused on this. Yeah, but when I'm fishing, I'm focused. Right.

[1:27:07] I don't have a problem. Exactly. But if I'm taking geometry or going to chocolate. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. No interest. Exactly. No interest. [1:27:15] Yeah. So that... [1:27:17] If I'm learning something I'm not interested in, I have no focus. I mean, you've got to sit here and study all this stuff for all these different people. Right. [1:27:24] And I know you've got to be interested in them. You have to be interested. Yes. You've got to be interested. But I think there's people that don't have a problem being interested and they can study anything, and God bless them. I'm not one of those people. I have to be interested in what I'm talking about. You had Bradley Cooper on. Love Bradley Cooper. Yeah, he did. He's awesome. He was the brain guy, the atom bomb. [1:27:46] Oppenheimer? Oppenheimer movie. He was in that movie? Well, he directed it. That's right. And he was in it. He directed it, right? No, he did. He did, right? He didn't direct it. [1:27:57] What's that? Christopher Nolan. That's right. It's Christopher Nolan directed. But Bradley was in Oppenheimer? Yes. Yes. What was his role? [1:28:04] He's been at so many things, I forgot. Wasn't he an Oppenheimer? No. Okay. Oh! [1:28:09] My bad. What are you thinking of? The music guy. The maestro. [1:28:12] Yeah, he directed that and starred in it. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Phenomenal. I was trying to agree with you. I was like, what was Bradley and Oppenheimer? I haven't seen Oppenheimer in a couple of years. I was just checking to see if you were paying attention. [1:28:25] I'm good. [1:28:27] Thank you. [1:28:28] That dude who played Oppenheimer, Cyril... He won an Oscar. Did he win an Oscar? At least he was up for it. Cyril Murphy, right? [1:28:35] That guy is phenomenal.

[1:28:38] What? [1:28:39] Cillian Murphy. [1:28:41] Cillian Murphy. Well, anyway. He's phenomenal in Peaky Blinders. Anybody that can act has got my attention because Cooper Bradley is. Well, real acting, right? Real acting. Real acting. I've done some sitcom acting. That shit's pretty easy. Yeah, and you were probably Joe, right? I played Joe. And I'm Jerry Bradshaw. Exactly. I've done like five movies. And people say, oh, no, no, no. I'm no actor. But like, you know, Daniel Day-Lewis type acting. Whoa, that's him? That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. That's Bradley. [1:29:11] My God, the fucking makeup they do today is insane. He was amazing in that movie. Isn't that crazy that he can make it look that realistic? That is nuts. [1:29:20] Leonard Bernstein. [1:29:22] Well, there you go. Yeah. Good. Did you see the movie? Did you see it? I did not. Oh, good. [1:29:27] When you had him on here, did you tell him you saw it? I did not. I would have probably. [1:29:33] I'd be like, oh, yeah. No. It's like I had a guy. We went back to high school and met the assistant trainer for the first time in years. I didn't know his name. [1:29:43] And this buddy of mine, how you doing, get over here. I'm like, he knows this. And they're going on, give me a hug, you son of a gun. And for why he did this, I'll never know. He goes. [1:30:01] What's my name? [1:30:03] What's my name? He said that to him. What's my name? And I'm over there, and I'm like, oh, my God, this is hilarious. It is hilarious. He didn't have a clue. He didn't have a clue. Well, he probably forgot if you left the gate open, too.

[1:30:16] May have. Give the guy a break. May have. Give the guy a break. But still. He's had a few head dings. You know what I do all the time, and I'll tell people this. What? Look. [1:30:25] I don't... What's your name again? [1:30:27] Joe? [1:30:28] Ciao. [1:30:29] Hey, I... [1:30:30] I may ask you again what your name is, and then I may ask you again, but I'm going to get your name right. [1:30:38] I don't want to sit here and... [1:30:41] and not know who you are. People get mad at that. I don't think people should get mad at that. It's just a thing that happens to people, and it definitely happens to people that meet too many people. [1:30:51] Do you know what Dunbar's number is? No. A safer Ontario means more police and prosecutors making sure my car doesn't get stolen. It means building new jails to keep criminals behind bars. And it means there's no need to worry when I play at the park. We're making every corner of Ontario safer to make all of Ontario safer. That's how we protect Ontario. For all of us. Learn how at Ontario.ca slash Safer Ontario. Paid for by the Government of Ontario. [1:31:21] you [1:31:24] Oh, Dunbar's number is a number of people that you can keep in your memory. Because we evolved in tribal societies of small groups of people. Where are you getting all this? I just... [1:31:35] Remember somebody tell you this somebody. Oh, definitely. I didn't study it. Oh, this is Dunbar's number. So the max amount of relationships a person can maintain. [1:31:45] Oh, which one are you? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where are you?

[1:31:49] What do you mean? Where are you in five? You are zero. Your patient is zero and five are the people that are very close to you. [1:31:57] So that's your support people. Okay. And then 15 are your sympathy group. They're not quite as close as like the closest people to you, but they're pretty close. I don't have 15. And then there's a close network of 50 people. Then you have a personal network of 150 people. You have 500 acquaintances and then 1,500 people that are recognizable. You know what's funny? I'll make this bad habit. We all have bad habits. My bad habit is, oh, he's a friend of mine. I know Henry Winkler. [1:32:24] I know Henry Winkler. I know Henry Winkler, too. I did a movie with him once. He's a great guy. [1:32:28] Sweetheart. And my wife says, and I'll say... [1:32:33] I have his number. I have his number in my phone. And I do have Henry's number, but I'll say, well, so-and-so, oh, because I've met them, I automatically associate them with being my friend. [1:32:46] I do the same thing. Yeah. My wife will say, when did you talk to them last? Well, I haven't. These people I haven't talked to for years and years and years. They're still my friends. I'm a friendly guy. Yeah, I like a lot of people. I do. But in my circle, we all surround ourselves. Our best friends are people that we have a lot in common with,

[1:33:16] It's horses, cattle. My whole world is horses and cattle, horses and cattle. [1:33:21] The people that book me for speeches are dear, dear friends of mine. Howie, dear friend. Kirk Menifee, dear friend. I work with him. I love being around him. I have a habit of telling you I love you. Joe, I love you, man. I love you too, Terry. I love you, man. I do the same thing. Yeah. [1:33:41] Do you really love them? I do. What it means is I like you more than I just like. You're just elevating you a little bit here. My wife is so smart. She's just like, you really got their number? I said, yeah, I got their number. And their friends are yours? Yeah, their friends are yours. When's the last time they talked to them? Well, I hadn't talked to them in a few years. But if you're friends with a lot of people, sometimes you can't be communicating with everybody all the time. [1:34:11] with. If I see him, I'm going to hug him. But I haven't talked to him in years. You ever... [1:34:15] You ever tell someone this? [1:34:17] You ever told someone this? Hey, you know what? Before you became really famous, we used to be really close and now we're not. [1:34:24] You ever said that? [1:34:26] No. You ever... [1:34:27] Okay, I have. [1:34:29] So before when they're famous or you're famous? I'm. [1:34:33] Joe, I've been famous a long time. Long time. Long time. Yeah. Yeah. Long time. Long time. But I've actually – my problem is, if it's a problem, is when I like somebody, I really like them. That's a good problem. I like being with them. Yeah.

[1:34:52] And then you don't ever hear from them. But if you text them. [1:34:55] They fire right back. And after a while I'm going, why am I the one starting this relationship? Why am I? I take it personal. Do you really? Yeah, I do. Okay. Yeah, I do. I'm sensitive about stuff like that. I mean, if you say if we swap numbers today before I leave. [1:35:13] And I'm going to text you and say, hey, man, how's it going? How's the wife? How's the deer? How's the elk hunting? How are you doing? Fine. And we get along great. And then two or three months ago, I hadn't heard from Joe. Hey, Joe, how are you doing, man? It's good to see you. I mean, how are you doing? Oh, so you get upset if you're the one always initiating. I don't want to always initiate. I understand. I want someone else to feel the same way towards me. [1:35:34] insecurity. I just finished this book, and the whole thing is I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them, and that's not always the case. Well, you're a very friendly guy. I am. I wish I weren't. Why? I don't know why. It's great. I like being friendly. Let me tell you a funny story. You want a funny story? Here's a funny story. So when you get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, you get put on steroids. You get a balance of steroids in your body to find out what holds off [1:36:04] because you've got to block the pain. And so you go on a 90-day... [1:36:10] trial and error. So I'm doing, I do the steroids and I'm [1:36:14] I'm eating my ass. I'm [1:36:16] Boy, I'm eating everything. I can't sleep, and I'm eating. I'm doing a good job eating. And I'm working out twice a day. Are you kidding me? And I blow up, man. I put on like 60 pounds. Whoa. Huge. Go to Hawaii. I'm eating.

[1:36:34] My wife and I are in... [1:36:36] Thank you. [1:36:36] Kmart. [1:36:38] Nice Kmart. It's closed now, but it's a really nice Kmart. So we're in there. We're getting stuff for the house and stuff. [1:36:45] And we get... [1:36:46] We're going down the aisles, and people are going, hey, Terry, how are you doing? You know, I'm doing good. You know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm on steroids. I put on quite a bit of weightage, you probably can see. You know, I'm a little embarrassed, but, you know, it's going to get it balanced out. Oh, yeah, sorry to hear about that. Hey, Terry, how are you doing? Well, you know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm taking – you know, I'm on steroids. I've got rheumatoid arthritis. You have to take steroids and get your balance. And I do this – [1:37:13] Without even thinking about it, Joe. [1:37:16] three or four times in Kmart. [1:37:18] So we walk out [1:37:20] Get in the car, my wife who loves me to death says, honey, I'm going to go. [1:37:24] Honey, honey, listen. When people say, how you doing, Terry? They don't want to hear about steroids. They don't want to hear about rheumatoid. They just want to hear, how you doing? They don't care. They recognize you, and they're just happy to meet you. They don't care that you, you know, whatever. [1:37:43] Am I really doing that? She said, yes, baby, you're doing that to everybody. I was so embarrassed, Joe. I'm like, oh. [1:37:51] Oh, my God. I can't believe it. We cross the highway and we go where? Brand new Target. Massive Target. Awesome Target. You know? Yeah. Now, you don't shop at these places, but I do. I shop at Target. Do you? Yeah.

[1:38:06] I love Target. You go to Walmart? I've been to Walmart. Been to Walmart. It's been a couple of years. [1:38:14] Well, I live in St. Joe, Texas in Walmart. We get dressed up and put a suit on when we go to Walmart. It's nice. Anyway, so we go to Target. And my wife's daughter told me. So we go to Target. I'm pushing the buggy, and we're going down the aisle. Hey! [1:38:33] Terry, how you doing? [1:38:35] How am I doing? I said, man, you're not going to believe this, but. [1:38:39] Thank you. [1:38:40] I've got rheumatoid arthritis. And I've been taking steroids, and I'm really put on a lot of weight, and I'm really puffy. Now... [1:38:47] Stand up, Joe. No kidding. [1:38:49] And I leaned down. [1:38:51] And I pull my [1:38:52] Bye. [1:38:53] pants leg up where my sock is, and I push my sock down, and you can see that giant indention from all the fluid that you're holding. Right. And when I put my hand down and I see that ring, I start laughing. I can't help myself. I just started laughing. You big idiot. They don't give a shit if you've got rheumatid starter. I was so embarrassed, but I just couldn't help myself. I just started laughing. [1:39:23] Got me. [1:39:24] Caught me. Well, you're just a genuine guy. Yeah, what are you going to do? There's nothing wrong with that. No. Nothing wrong with that. No. That's way better. I'm not apologizing. Yeah. But sometimes you just want reciprocation. I do have it with that. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. But it's way better to be super friendly. Yeah.

[1:39:39] Then the opposite. Is your wife super friendly? She's friendly. Yeah. She's friendly. Yeah. Is she friendly as you? [1:39:46] Yeah, she's pretty friendly. Can you go anywhere in Austin? Yeah. I mean, you talk to a lot of people. You don't talk to people, but most people are really nice. So it's not a problem. Yeah, most people are just happy to see you and say hi. Hey, how you doing? Shake your hand. Yeah. Give you some knuckles. Yeah. Take a selfie? Yeah. Yeah. Take a selfie? Yeah. I like selfies. [1:40:07] I mean, I don't see what the problem is. There's no problem. There's nothing wrong with that. You're just a friendly guy. Yeah. But that Dunbar's number is what's going on. [1:40:16] can't remember people. [1:40:17] That's really all it is. I mean, you think about, you're Terry Bradshaw. How many people have you met in your life? You've probably met a million people, like literally a million people. But if you were in bad shape right now. [1:40:30] You've got... [1:40:30] people you'd call, you got a handful you could call? Oh yeah, for sure. They really care about you? Yeah. But that's how everybody is, like a handful. You have a handful that you really care about. And you know what? [1:40:42] Okay. [1:40:43] To take care and nurture your friendships that are really close takes effort. [1:40:48] It does. And if you're 15 or 20, you don't have any time, man. You wear yourself out. I think we all – we start here – [1:40:56] And we... [1:40:57] Yes. Well, there's also some people that disappoint you along the way, unfortunately. Man, are you kidding? Yeah. [1:41:06] Have you ever just thrown all your trust and love into your buddy? And then that sucker, 15 or 16, whatever, and just...

[1:41:16] Boom. Some of them. Yeah. You go, whoa. It's been a long time since I've had that happen, but there's some people that just don't make it along the way. And then I'm the first one to say, I'm sorry. [1:41:27] I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. And then they don't take your apologies and they bring it up again. I'm sorry. Look, I told you. I'm sorry. Then they do it again. Look. [1:41:40] Yeah. I said, I'm sorry. And then... [1:41:44] hang up and that's it. Well, some people just don't want to be happy. [1:41:48] They don't, and they actually enjoy being in conflict because conflict takes them away from thinking about all the things that they need to correct in their life. So they always like to be in some sort of a situation where there's some sort of a dispute or someone wronged them or something's wrong. [1:42:06] disrespectful or something. It's just distractions. Most of it is distractions. It's a personality flaw. [1:42:13] This just happened yesterday. Did you? I'm not going to mention their name because they're... [1:42:16] Okay. [1:42:18] I tell this person. [1:42:20] They had a stallion of mine, a young two-year-old. [1:42:23] And they were showing it and they did a great job. I brought the horse home. The horse wasn't going to be good enough to go to the World Show, which is the Super Bowl. But he needed another year of growing training. So I brought him home. [1:42:38] Crazy about these people. Been with them... [1:42:42] Years. I mean... [1:42:45] The trainer was my first trainer ever, and that's been 40-something years ago. Anyway.

[1:42:51] So I'm over there. They came to church. I got them to come to church. I was singing in church last two weeks ago. And they came. I asked them, come, I'm singing in church. And they said, okay, great. So they came to hear me sing. They loved our preacher. And they said, we're going to come back. Well, they came back yesterday. [1:43:06] All right. That came back. Yes. [1:43:08] We have a meet and greet during the service. I got up and went oh man, it's great to see you and [1:43:15] Not even... [1:43:17] thinking that they had had this stud for so long and did a great job. I said, guess who came by the house the other day and saw the barn name for the stud is Bradley. [1:43:26] And Saul Bradley fell in love with him. [1:43:28] And I sent him home with him. He's going to show him. [1:43:33] Oh... [1:43:34] Bub, it wasn't pretty. Got mad. Got real in church. Got mad. Got upset. And I just cold chills went over my way. And I got to thinking, what did I do? What did I do? What did I do? And then I got to thinking, I took this horse from them and I gave it to another trainer. And they got this horse looking as good as he could. They got him going. Now I'm giving it to a competitive trainer. And I'm telling them, hey, yeah, he fell in love with him. I said, sure, take him home with you. [1:44:02] It hurt. [1:44:04] them. And... [1:44:06] It was obvious that they were very... [1:44:09] One of them was really upset with me in church. And so church preachers up getting restarted. I had to go get back in my seat. And then one of them I told Tammy, my wife, I said, holy cow, man, I just hurt their feelings. I mean, they are upset with me because I sent this horse with some of the trainer. I was like, God, I would have never done that. I would have never done that. Had I been thinking, I wouldn't have said a word about that. Not a word. But since they had had the horse, I figured that was no big deal. Right? My horse. Right. I do what I want.

[1:44:39] Thank you. [1:44:40] Throughout the service, which is a great... [1:44:42] Great service. I was picking up on what the preacher was saying. [1:44:46] I found myself during that service, you ready for this? Praying that God would help me go make things right with them. [1:44:54] because I couldn't stand the fact that I had upset them so much. So when the service was over and they were going, I went and grabbed them. I said, I am so sorry. I want to apologize. I wasn't thinking. I made a huge mistake. You're my dear friends. I feel like I made it right, but I had to go and make that right because it just killed me. Well, that's great, Terry. That means you're a good guy. That's great. I hope so. Yeah, no, you're a great guy. [1:45:24] That's a great thing to do because you care. If you didn't care, if you were like, ah, screw them. What's wrong with them? Oh, I ruined my service. That's because you're a good guy. And I drive a long way to go to church. That's because you're a good guy. That's because you're a good guy. I really believe that. You wanted them to feel better. Absolutely. And I bet you did make it right. And I didn't do it. You didn't do it on purpose? It wasn't. Exactly. Of course. Of course. Well, sometimes people don't think, you know, I mean, some people. You ever done that? [1:45:54] I told him a hundred thousand times how sorry I was, and I want you to know he was my best friend at the time, and we have not spoken since. [1:46:01] That's now some people are not that kind. That's not on me. No, that's on him. That's on him. Some people are not charitable and they don't want to forgive people. They'd like to be wronged. There's people that like to be in conflict with people. And generally, those people, their life is a mess. That's generally not a balanced person. This guy's life, not a mess. But I just. Well, why is it so? Look, look, let's say you say something here today and it really upsets me.

[1:46:31] "Hey, are you okay with this?" [1:46:34] And I'm going to tell you, no, I'm not. I'm not okay with that. Well, then I would apologize. That's what my point is. And if you said something that pissed me off, I think if you apologize, I'd accept it immediately, too. But you've already said, I'm a good guy. I'm not going to do that. People don't mean to hurt people's feelings for the most part. Some do. Some people do. But those people, you generally know that that's that kind of person in the first place, and you probably wouldn't be hanging out with them. No. [1:47:04] forgiveness. You've got to realize that people are human and humans make mistakes. Well, you've been friends for as long as I have been with this one person. I have another person. What was the issue? The issue was I made fun of him on the golf course. That's it? Yeah. [1:47:18] I make fun of everybody on the golf course. You know why? Because I suck. [1:47:24] I'm bad, Joe. I'm bad. Now, I love to play, and I love to play with my friends and have a simple little $5 bet, and it's not much. Right. But I love to say, oh, nice shot. You know. It's fun. Me. Me. I know I'm an asshole. Right. You know the bad side of you, right? Mm-hmm. You know your bad side. I know mine. [1:47:43] I know mine. Yeah. My wife calls it Roy. Oh, you have a different guy inside of you? What is that movie? [1:47:51] True Grit? Primal Fear. Oh, okay. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. And he looks at me at the end, you go, had me fooled. You go, holy cow. So I took on the name Roy. So when I'm going into a dark area. Edward Norton's character? Yes. Was it Roy? Yes. I think it was Roy. That movie was great. Oh.

[1:48:13] He'll turn at the end. Oh, then have you fooled... [1:48:16] Oh, I was like... [1:48:19] What? I know. At the end of that movie, I'm like, whoa. Whoa. That's another very smart guy. Edward Norton, I had him in on the podcast. You've had him? Oh. Yeah, very interesting guy. Yeah, I find actors in general very... Well, they're really good ones. [1:48:35] Thank you. [1:48:36] They are... [1:48:37] Cooper I love. McConaughey I've done a movie I love. He's great. Um... [1:48:43] Great guy too. [1:48:45] Who else do it? George Foreman. Also very smart. Yeah, very smart. George Foreman, we did a show together called Better Late Than Never. Never got to know him in two years. Never got to know him in two years. Really? Never got to know him in two years. How come? He totally didn't associate with any of us. We had lunch, he'd sit over here with his son. Had dinner, he'd sit over here with his son. I'd... [1:49:06] It could be. I would only guess that he's shy. He didn't like the fact that we drank. [1:49:12] He didn't like the language that was used because he's a preacher. I asked him one time, I said, "George, how big is your congregation?" He said, "120." I said, "Really? How long have you been doing this?" I think he said something, maybe 20 years or something. I said, "Because I've been taught as a Baptist and as a preacher, your congregation grows, right?" Right, right. Right. Your congregation grows. [1:49:34] That's it, Tom. [1:49:35] How many? 120. I said, Oh, wow. It's small. I said, you build and you grow? And he said, no, 120 is enough. And I went,

[1:49:44] 120 is enough. I said, "So George, [1:49:48] When do you start preparing your sermon? Do you start on Tuesday like most preachers? No. [1:49:53] Oh, you know, so... [1:49:55] When do you start preparing for your sermons? Wednesday? No. [1:50:00] So when do you start preparing for your sermon? He says, when I stand up to preach, God tells me what to say. Wow. [1:50:08] Okay. [1:50:09] You're going to argue with George Foreman? I'm not. But that was like, all right, brother. [1:50:16] Yeah, I'm not arguing. But yeah, he was – I wanted to get to know him. He was friendly. [1:50:22] But he was just... He was blocked, yeah. Well, he's also another guy that's been famous for a long time. A long time. He's probably figured out how to block people out. And also, he went through that dark period when he quit fighting for 10 years. And, you know, the losing to Ali, I mean, that was very hard on him, you know. He knew better. [1:50:43] When he lost the thrill in Manila, he knew better. It was Rumble in the Jungle. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, that was in Zaire. They both rhyme. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? They definitely rhyme. Well, that was Don King, right? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. He knew how to promote a fight. But he knew better. He told me that the hit. [1:51:01] that I took. [1:51:02] was nothing. But he said, I was so tired. Yeah. And I went, you're kidding. And he said, yeah. He said, the hit was nothing. [1:51:13] Nothing.

[1:51:14] But he went down, he just, thank God I'm down. I can get some air and get some breath. He was definitely exhausted. That was a strategy. But he knew better. He knew what was going on. But he thought with his power, he'd break a rib or something. Well, he had so much power. I mean, when he fought Joe Frazier, he lifted him off his feet with a punch. [1:51:36] I mean, he was extraordinarily powerful. Quick. He hit so hard. Yeah, George was – How can you be that quick? I mean, that big. [1:51:45] Yeah. [1:51:46] Well, that's his job. Impressive, man. Oh, he was very impressive. I mean, that Ali fight was so crazy. That was another fight where Ali was expected to lose, just like the Sonny Liston fight. Yeah. And it was such an upset that Hunter Thompson flew to Africa to cover it and didn't go to the fight. He wound up just drinking and floating around in his pool and blew off the fight because he didn't want to watch Ali get knocked out. [1:52:10] Really? Because Ali was his hero. And he messed it up because he was supposed to be a journalist for Rolling Stone at the time. So they flew him over there to cover that fight. See – [1:52:19] You threw out your intelligence on me, throwing me a curveball. Because I'm going, Hunter, okay, yeah, okay. Who's Hunter? I have no idea who that guy was. You don't know who Hunter S. Thompson is? No, why would I know him? You never heard of him? The gonzo journalist, Hunter S. Thompson? No, no. The very famous journalist. Is he in the Quarter Horse Journal? No. The Angus Weekly? No. No. He's the guy from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Do you know that? You never heard of that book?

[1:52:49] The movie that Johnny Depp did, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, where he played Hunter Thompson. He did write that about horses. The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved. That's one of his best works. [1:52:58] Really? It's a fantastic story. Hey, listen. That's Hunter Thompson. He was a maniac. When I first got into the cattle business, my wife, ex-wife, and I went to a big cattle sale. To your point about me saying, I don't know who he is. Now, I just played it off. All right? Mm-hmm. [1:53:14] I didn't want to embarrass myself, but then I got to thinking, I don't know who this guy is. Now, you answered who he was, but I didn't care. I get it. So I go to this cattle sale. This auctioneer is out there, and he wants to meet me, Terry Bradshaw. So I got my ex-wife there, the auctioneer, and a couple of his ring stewards, and we're sitting there talking. So I asked a simple question. So tell me, Mr. Auctioneer. [1:53:36] What do you make the most money on? [1:53:39] And auctioning off stuff. Terry, we're really hitting a home run right now with limousines. [1:53:46] Limousines. Now see, my brain, I'm at a cow auction. Right. And he's... [1:53:53] a cow auctioneer right he's not supposed to sell cars right cars when you think cars limousines that's what i would have thought that's what i'm sorry i was about i was about to say to him oh my god you mean to tell me you sell cars and my ex ex-wife goes you mean to tell me that you sell cars and i'm and he goes oh sweetie and i'm like this is the funny shit there boy

[1:54:23] What a dumbass. And he goes, no, honey, limousine is a breed of cattle. Oh, that's a limousine cattle. There's a limousine right there. You know what I like about this show? What? When you just think you're throwing everybody a curveball, they throw it up on the screen. That's Jamie. Jamie, you're amazing, man. He's the best. When he's sober, he is numb better. Serious. When he's sober? When he's sober. You should see him when he's drunk. Oh, my God. Even better. [1:54:53] some of this stuff. You should. I should. Why not? [1:54:57] I don't know. I think I got enough time. Yeah, maybe a documentary. Maybe just sit down with someone and have them tell all these stories. [1:55:05] Yeah, you think nobody would care about these stories? Sure they would. Absolutely. Edit them up. Do a good job with the editing. Should I start a podcast? Yeah. No, I don't think so. Terry Bradshaw experience? No, I don't think so. No. You know what, Joe? Listen. You started this 15 years ago or so? Something like that, yeah. Do you have any idea it would be like this? No. No. So why do I want to do something like this when there's a million podcasts going on? Well, you would only do it if you liked doing it. I would not like doing it. [1:55:35] Well, then don't do it. I don't want to. Look, I got enough on my plate right now. Yeah, don't do it unless it seems interesting to you. Besides that, who's going to come on my show? [1:55:44] A lot of people would come on the Terry Bradshaw show. No, I don't think so. I came on your show when you had a TV show. [1:55:49] Did you? Yeah. What show was that? Remember you had a TV show? Yeah. Yeah, I was on it. [1:55:53] I was a guest. When I had the Fox show, whatever that talk show thing you did was.

[1:55:59] Get out. Yeah. You were one of my star guests. I was a guest when I was on news radio. [1:56:05] That was a sitcom. Yeah. Oh, well. I believe it was news radio. It was a long time ago, Joe. Oh, I remember. No, you don't. No, you don't. Oh, no, no, Joe. Yeah, you were great, by the way. No, I loved you, man. You were great. We talked about limousine cattle. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Hunter Thompson. What are you drinking? Oh, you're drinking coffee now. It was a hoot. Smart. Yeah. Yeah. [1:56:26] Yeah, that was a fun show. [1:56:28] I know. I don't remember you could do something like that if you wanted to. I mean, you could do anything if you wanted to. But you definitely would get guests if you ever wanted to do a podcast. I did a radio show once. How was that? It was good. I'm good. [1:56:41] It's good, but it's just hard to get people. Really? [1:56:44] Yeah. That doesn't make sense to me. Well... Where were you doing it out of? L.A. Oh, so many people in L.A. How is that hard to get people? When I had my daytime show in L.A., I couldn't get anybody. Really? I got... [1:56:57] Whoopi Goldberg one time. What are you laughing for? Was she fun? Yeah, she was a blast. She was. She was the biggest thing we ever had. She's probably fun when she's on The View. Yeah. [1:57:11] All those hands get together. [1:57:17] I watched that show. I'm like, ladies, go outside. Hug a chair. I had Whoopi. I had Charlton Heston. Now you're talking. [1:57:28] How was he? Oh, fabulous. Yeah? I couldn't, the show could, I could have done three hours. I was just fascinated with, he was so nice. You know, is there anything worse, Joe?

[1:57:41] And that's my understanding, you won't bring people on here that you don't... [1:57:46] feel comfortable with. No, if I'm not interested in talking. Yeah, so I'm very honored to be here today. But [1:57:53] Can you imagine? Can you imagine having people on that are just [1:58:00] Jerks. [1:58:01] Yeah. And are interviewing them? And it's like, oh, God, where can I go here to get something out of this interview? You know, it's just, God, it's just, but. [1:58:14] Yeah, but Charlton Heston. [1:58:17] I had Garth Brooks, which was fabulous. I gave him the whole – I gave Charlton Heston the whole hour, just me and him. It was – That's awesome. Kind of like this. He was amazing. Yeah. He was like one of the first big actors that was like publicly conservative. Remember? Well, he did the NRA. They caught hell for that. Yeah. Yeah. Was he the head of the NRA at one point in time? No, no, no. It was a part of the NRA. Part of it. I think he was – Did something with the NRA. Yeah. But he was – [1:58:43] Yeah, he was huge. He famously was like, you could have my gun when you pry my cold, dead fingers from it. Yeah, my brother has, I don't have many guns. I'm like, what do you do with all those guns? Man, you've got to have guns. I was like... [1:58:58] Gary, he's got those... [1:59:01] Those rifles that shoot 5,000 rounds in 10 seconds? What are those things called? AR-15? Yeah. He's got five or six. What do you do with all those guns? Yeah, you never know. We're going to need a gun. There's a lot of people like that in this country. Oh, my God. They are. Yeah. And I got a...

[1:59:21] What do I got? I got a bunch of guns, but I gave them all away. Everybody gives me guns. I don't shoot guns. [1:59:27] You don't shoot guns at all? No. [1:59:30] My wife only let me put a gun by the bed. I've been burglarized six times. Have you really? Yeah. Where do you live? I got shot at with a shotgun. This is how I can tell you that when you get shot at with a shotgun, flames come out of the gun. [1:59:46] So [1:59:47] Flames. And I'm running in the backyard to get in my car. This guy goes around the backside. Boom! And flames! And BBs! And I get in the old GTO, 19... [2:00:03] 70 GTO, yellow and black. Oh, man, get her done. Yeah, boy, this is nice. And I got in. [2:00:11] I'm used to pushing the button or pull in reverse. You go down, right? Right. Pull it down. I turn around. I hit the brake. I go forward right in through the wall. Realized you got to go one click. Ah. Yeah, it was not good. Not good. But my wife won't let me keep anything. So where did you get burglarized six times? Rustin. [2:00:32] Ruston, Louisiana. Real? Mansfield, Louisiana on my ranches. Yeah. [2:00:36] On your ranches? Yeah. So they came onto the ranch? Yeah. How big was the ranch? Man, I... [2:00:41] 400 acres at the time. Oh, so they had to do some driving to get to the house. And they had to go through a... [2:00:46] The gate I locked. So how did they get in? And let me tell you something. You were laying in bed at night, and it's 1 a.m. in the morning, and you feel the presence of somebody else in your house.

[2:01:03] and a flashlight is going over your head and going through the wall like this. [2:01:10] You... [2:01:12] I can't even begin to tell you. You can't breathe. And you don't. And I'm laying down like this and I'm flattening myself. And back in those days, you're too young to know this. Remember, well... [2:01:22] The princess phone... [2:01:24] You know what the princess phone is? Prince's phone? You know everything we've been talking about today. You've been throwing all kind of shit up here. And you don't know what a princess phone... Do you know what a princess... Are you saying prince phone? Princess. [2:01:37] Princess phone. It's a phone. It was one of the first push-button phones. You didn't have to... Okay. It's princess. So I took my... Look at you. [2:01:49] That's a princess phone, Jamie. There you go. Thank you so much. Did you know what that is, Jamie? Jamie? [2:01:55] No. Look, look, look, Joe, I'm laying in bed. I take my left hand. [2:02:01] Yes. [2:02:01] And I slide it over to my prince's phone. [2:02:04] I take the receiver off, and I take my fingers, and I go across the dials, and I dial, do-do-do-do. [2:02:10] And I'm [2:02:11] my uncle, [2:02:12] who lives [2:02:13] 200 yards away. I get the phone. Pull up to the microphone so people can hear you. I pull the phone up. I'm laying back, trying so you can't see me or anything. And I say, Bobby, [2:02:24] I got a burglar. He's at my bedroom window. He says, all right, I'm on my way. So I take the phone down and he goes, okay. [2:02:32] And you can see that...

[2:02:34] Guy hears my uncle coming, and this guy takes off, and he chases him down through the pasture, and he loses him out through the... [2:02:44] I had another guy go through my house, tearing up my kitchen. Same place? No, different place. Wow. In college, tearing up my kitchen. [2:02:51] tearing up my dishes in my kitchen. [2:02:55] He was looking through the dishes? He was making noise. The only thing I could figure was the guy was trying to run me off. I was living in a Methodist parsonage out on the edge of town. Come to find out, this guy was living in the attic over the office. So the cops found all kind of paraphernalia, cans of food, beer up in the office. So the only thing I could figure was trying to run me off. He ran me off. Oh, he might have just been drugged up. I'm out of there. I don't know what he was. I wanted to figure out how to find out. [2:03:25] I've come home twice and had guys running out of my house, taking off. [2:03:32] Same house? [2:03:33] Yeah, yeah. Six. Six of these I had. Jeez. You ever been shot at? So you were running away from these guys. What's his name again? I forgot. Jamie. Jamie. Young Jamie. One more time, son. I'm going to ask you what your name is. Okay? All right. One more. I told you three times, right? All right. I got you down now. [2:03:53] So this same place, why did you keep getting broken into this one place? [2:03:58] I'm out in the middle of nowhere. I'm Terry Bradshaw. They want to come in. Another guy came down. He stole all my stuff out of my garage, all the chainsaw. He got all the kind of tools and stuff that he could go and sell. Just wipe me out.

[2:04:17] No security? No. No security system? Nothing? No. I got dogs now. Now I've had, since Tammy and I, 22 years now, and I got a guard dog. [2:04:33] But I will not leave my wife at home. [2:04:36] My wife and I in 22 years have been apart two days. I will not leave without my wife. What kind of guard dog did you get? German Shepherd. I got him from Wayne Simonovich in South Carolina. Okay, so you got a trained dog. I got a badass dog. His name is Legend. Then I bought him a female this year. We named her after the Viking character Freya. [2:04:58] Ah. Frey the queen. Freya. So I'm going to read those because I'm tired of spending $20,000. So I'm going to raise my guard dog. [2:05:07] Nice. Nice. And you know what's great about them? They're guard dogs. You don't play with them. Right. [2:05:13] You don't play with them. You don't rough them. You don't grab them. You don't tackle them. No. They don't mess around. Right. [2:05:20] They don't mess around. They're serious. Yeah. They're serious. They're soldiers. Yeah, exactly. You got a dog? Sucks, yeah. What do you got? I have a golden retriever. I love them. They're great, but he ain't guarding shit. No, I know. You'll probably, hey, y'all, come on in. There's ice cream up there. Exactly. Y'all open it. We'll share it. He'll let everybody in. I have another dog. I've got eight dachshunds. [2:05:41] I have another dog that's a King Charles Cavalier. Do you know what those are, the little tiny dogs? Yeah, I do. Oh, my God, he's so adorable. Yeah. He jumps in the pool, and he's a year old, and he's started swimming over the last couple months.

[2:05:54] And he gets so excited that he whines like you think he's in pain or something. He's talking. He's talking to you. Yeah, and he just can't wait to jump in the water. [2:06:05] Really? Oh, he loves it. Two of my dachshunds talk constantly. Oh, really? Oh, and this morning, I'm a little tired today because for some reason these two, they sleep with me every night. Their names are Sadie Lynn and Baby Girl. One's a black miniature dachshund. The other one is an Australian Shepherd looking, black and tan, you know, spotty. Oh, they are precious. Yeah. [2:06:31] But baby girl likes to get on my chest. When she's got to go outside, she gets on my chest, puts her chin right under my mouth. [2:06:40] And I wake up. And I know exactly what's up. And I sit there and I go. [2:06:47] What time is it? [2:06:49] I'll go over and I'll get the TV control and I'll shake it so the light will come on. [2:06:56] Oh, my God. It's 11 o'clock. You've got to be kidding me. I'll take them outside and they'll go potty. This is good. [2:07:03] Once, normally, a lot of times never, but once, max. Last night, three times. Three times. Oh, yeah, 1.30. 1.30. [2:07:11] Oh, no. [2:07:14] What? You've got to pee again? You've got to be kidding me. So I slide to the right. Down off the bed, these two come. We go outside. I'm so sleepy. I sit on the steps and put my head against the porch pole, and I'm like this. Their heads are in the doorway, and they're looking at me like...

[2:07:36] What are we doing? I'm like, you got to pee, right? [2:07:41] No, no, not really. So I go back at 3.30. Here I go again, and then they went to the bathroom. But this is, you know... So sometimes they just want to wake you up. They just... [2:07:54] Yeah. I mean, look, I'm a dog lover, okay? Me too. I got ten dogs now. Do you really? Oh, yeah. So ten dogs and two serious guard dogs. Two badass dogs. Yeah, so those are not pets. Well, the one guard dog is badass. The other one is going to be badass. [2:08:10] Yeah. [2:08:11] And you know what? When you live where I live, out where I live, I don't know where you live, but what are you doing? What is that? This is Ultra. It's nootropic. Do you know what that is? No. It's essentially brain vitamins. No. [2:08:22] Thank you. [2:08:23] Thank you. [2:08:24] But come here, don't swallow it. [2:08:25] Because it's a pouch, like a nicotine pouch, same kind of thing. Oh, it's like you've got a smoking addiction. [2:08:32] You've got a nicotine addiction? Is that what you're saying? What is it? You said nicotine. No, it's nootropics. Is that one of those things that you're into now? It's like brain vitamins. Is it like ivermectin? No, it's like nutrients. Brain nutrients. [2:08:48] Sorry. It sucks that you have to have that. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Listen, we're not friends anymore. Yes, we are. I'm upset with you now. You'll probably have me back on again. Isn't that hilarious, though, that you could make fun of a guy playing golf and he doesn't want to be your friend forever because of that? [2:09:03] I've shot... [2:09:05] Yeah, you got off light. And I had another friend. You got off light. Yeah, I had another friend. That's a sensitive. Another friend I spent four days a week with because, like I said, I'm playing golf and didn't have a job.

[2:09:15] We hung out. His wife and I went to dinner all the time, cooked out all the time. And then one day... [2:09:22] I said, hey, he just recently passed away. I said, hey, man, I got us a tea time for more at 1.30. Call me back. Nothing. Hey. Nothing. [2:09:35] Two days, three days, four days, five days, a week, two weeks, a month, nothing, nothing, nothing. [2:09:41] Never heard from him again. [2:09:43] What happened? [2:09:45] His wife didn't like me. [2:09:46] Whoa. That's what I found out. [2:09:48] His wife didn't like you. What's not to like? I'm a nice guy. Yeah, I don't understand that at all. Yeah, I think she's jealous of our relationship. Oh, there's those kind of relationships. Guys and gals will do that. Will they separate you from your friends? That's a real fucking problem. That's a giant red flag right there. [2:10:08] That's not good. A person who doesn't want you having good friends, that's crazy. [2:10:13] Yeah, I know. That's crazy. You know, I'm the luckiest guy in the world because I work for a network. [2:10:21] with four, sometimes five guys. [2:10:25] And if you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm going to tell you that's special. That is special. That Fox show. [2:10:35] is so special. [2:10:37] It is. You've seen the show, I assume, and we're just like a locker room. Well, that's how it's supposed to be. And we have so much fun. Yeah, and that's what people like watching, too. I think so. I think you're right. 100%. Yeah. People want to watch people that actually are friends. Yeah, and we have giant fun. We had this one. I mean, you learn where you can go.

[2:10:59] With your friends. Yeah. All right? You learn, don't go here, don't go there, which is fine. You want to make sure they're, because we're on live television. So you don't want to embarrass anybody on live television. Of course. So you learn where to go. [2:11:12] And you build that trust. And then that trust, because you have the trust, you bond. You become, hey, how you doing? Hey, man, how's your daughter? Great. Hey, how's your wife? Great. [2:11:24] I mean, it's just – everybody hugs everybody. Hey, how was your week? I mean, it's – I can't even begin – the day that that show is over for me, and I hope I die on set, which is I've always said. If I could just die on set. Think about it, Joe. Think about it. If I die on set. [2:11:42] Seriously? If I could just get a couple words out before I go. [2:11:48] A good one. I don't want to just... [2:11:50] Pah [2:11:50] It's one last good line. I really do think Dallas is going to win the Super Bowl. If I could just get something out. Yeah. Yeah. Forever. Immortal. Right? Right. Ah, great. Yeah. So I said, and that's the way I feel. I assume that's the way you do this show. You can't wait to do it. You should. This is awesome to get down and sit down with people from different places. [2:12:15] Walks of life, basically. Yeah. Yeah. [2:12:18] politicians don't agree with you, religious people, whatever, and you just sit there and you build this, you know. [2:12:26] You get to know these people. You ask all these questions. In my case, I'm just jumping around here. That's what I do. Well, he hadn't asked me about this. I like a jump around. Is it Simon? Jamie. Jamie! I told you, Jamie. That's it. No, I got it. Young Jamie. Think of like Van Halen. Jamie's crying.

[2:12:47] Remember that song? Look, I got it here. [2:12:50] Thank you. [2:12:50] Jamie. [2:12:51] Jamie. Young Jamie. Jamie, are you married? [2:12:54] Atta boy. Free man. Free. Ladies. How old are you, Jamie? Old enough. What did he say? Old enough. What's that? What's old enough? Old enough to know. [2:13:05] So how old are you, Jamie? 43. [2:13:08] Hmm, okay. Got a girl? [2:13:10] Not right now. Ooh, okay. He's free right now. [2:13:15] Ladies. [2:13:17] Young Jamie's on the prowl. [2:13:19] Jamie, you on the prowl? Sure. All right? Yeah. [2:13:25] There's a lot of good-looking women in Austin, Texas, Jamie. There is. It's a good place. You need some help. Good place to be a single guy. You need me to put a big word in for you, Bub. Yeah, let's go out tonight. [2:13:36] I guess we need to move on, right? Yeah, let's move on. But anyway, I'm so – in talking about that show, it's just – [2:13:42] Well, having a show like that where a bunch of people are really actually friends is so huge for the viewer. Yeah. [2:13:48] It is. You want to, listen, do you want to turn on this show like pregame? Come on, pregame shows. Right. I watch them and I go, oh, God. Especially if it's stiff. Steve has done this. Shut up. Right. Shut up. [2:14:00] Shut up! Announce a guy doing game. Shut up! [2:14:05] Or when they're just sports guys that really aren't actually passionate about football. Yeah. And you hear them talking, you're like, what? You know what they're talking about? What are they? Stats. Yeah. They get it all right here. Yeah. And let me tell you something. Yeah. I hate stats.

[2:14:20] I hate them. [2:14:21] They're okay occasionally. If they make a real point. Yeah. But if all you've got is, well, 50-inch in the third quarter, and the wind's blowing out of the southwest. Yes. If it makes a point in a big, but otherwise. Right, right, right. [2:14:37] I remember once, well, anyway, I was talking about all the guys, and I love telling this story. [2:14:43] on Howie. Howie is my best friend on the show without question. I mean, we are so different. He went to Villanova. I went to an engineering school at Louisiana Tech. I got a college degree. Howie, I'm sorry, he didn't graduate. I'm sorry, Howie. Don't hate me for his big asses. What are you telling everybody I didn't graduate? Hey, I love you. I shouldn't have said, Joe, I didn't say that. Anyway... [2:15:12] So we're doing this show. [2:15:14] And when we had Jimmy Johnson on the show, Jimmy's great. Oh, Jimmy was awesome. [2:15:21] So Jimmy's telling this story, all right? And Jimmy's telling, it's a funny story. And Jimmy starts laughing. [2:15:31] Start laughing. Strahan. Ha ha. Woo hoo hoo hoo. We're belly aching. That's funny. That's funny, Jimmy. Michael Strahan's next. The director, we got it all worked out. It goes Jimmy Michael Terry Howey. Jimmy Howey. Yeah. [2:15:46] How? [2:15:47] So Michael Strahan, he adds to that story, and it's even funnier. Oh, my God, stop. Stop right now. Oh, okay. Now it's my turn. Now I've got to, I've got to, I've got to, you're a comedian. You know, you've got to match it at least, right? Or do it one better. I'm adding to what Michael said, to what Jimmy said, and we're rolling. Oh, God, stop.

[2:16:17] This is killing me. Howie's turn. [2:16:21] How he looks at the camera. [2:16:24] The outside linebacker for Seattle. [2:16:28] Bucky Buckhalter, sprang his ankle in pregame warm-up, and he won't be starting today for the Seahawks. [2:16:37] Jasper Julian will be in his place out of Kansas State. [2:16:48] Thank you. [2:16:50] What? [2:16:51] And I'm [2:16:52] And we go to commercial break. And I'm like, three, ha, ha, ha. One, oh. [2:17:00] I'm looking at Howie. And I'm staring at Howie. Just like this. [2:17:05] He feels me. He turns around and says, [2:17:09] What? [2:17:09] I said, [2:17:11] Thank you. [2:17:12] You can't help it, can you? [2:17:14] Help what? [2:17:15] You know what I'm talking about. No, I don't. What are you talking about? And I said, I [2:17:20] You're boring. [2:17:27] I wouldn't have said it if I didn't know I could get away with it. Right. And for the rest of the show, he was hilarious because he said, well, you know, being boring, let me say. And it was funny. But, yeah, it was funny. [2:17:39] But you can't do that unless there's trust. Right, right, right. And Strahan, we made – the first day Strahan was on the show, we gave him half a cake. He said, well, why am I getting half a cake? Well, you just got divorced. You lost the other half.

[2:17:54] That's hilarious. That's hilarious. [2:17:55] Well, if you can't joke around with people, that's no fun. No. That's not a good relationship. Well, you better know who you're joking around with. Yeah, but it's like if you can't joke around with someone, what's the point? That's what people do. It's part of fun in life. You should be able to take a joke. You should be able to give a joke. You should be able to have fun with each other. You just got to know when. You just got to know when. Sure. I mean, friends know when. Sure. I mean, I... [2:18:19] You know, I talk to Howie all the time, all the time. And his son, Kyle, just got signed with CBS for their Today Show, which is great. Great for him. And he's good. Howie did movies for a while, right? Howie was voted the up-and-coming star. [2:18:35] And he had these three young kids, and he says, I don't want to raise my kids in L.A. Where's the best place I can raise my kids? And they found a school system, Charlottesville, Virginia. He moved to Virginia and took his kid there and quit doing movies. Good for him. Yeah. That's having your priorities together. I remember reading something about him talking about it, like his experience with movies. Like, he didn't like it. Well, he didn't like Hollywood. He didn't like the whole thing. [2:19:00] He... [2:19:02] He could have been... Didn't someone hit on him, too? [2:19:05] hit on him i think some guys hit on him a guy hit on yeah is that true find out that's true i don't know if i'd find that out yeah maybe don't look that up forget it don't look that up but the point being simon i mean jamie [2:19:21] Jamie. [2:19:23] That's your new name, bro. I don't think, Jamie, don't look that up. Yeah, don't look it up. I think I might have made that up. Or somebody might have told it to me. It might not be true. But the point is, like, he did a bunch of big movies. Yes. And he was on his way to being a big action star. He was. Action star. Yeah. For sure. I mean, of course. Giant guy. Yeah. Handsome. Good looking guy. Great body. Perfect for an action star. And then just, I like it when a guy realizes, like, this is, you know, life is short.

[2:19:51] I know. Also, it's like you don't want to – what you think that life is, it's not. Listen, I've done five movies and you've done I don't know how many. [2:20:03] And look, I don't want to sit around... [2:20:05] all day long and go and deliver one line. Exactly. And here's the other thing. [2:20:12] I'm not ever going to be a leading man. [2:20:15] I'm always going to be Terry Bradshaw. Right, right. And that just sucks. Seriously. You always want to be Joe Rogan. No. You would like to be given an opportunity to really act. Well, if I actually wanted to act, yes. Well, yeah, but. But, I mean, some people, they just don't like to do it. And I think with Howie, it was probably one of those things where they probably offered him a bunch of money. It looks good on paper. [2:20:45] He was away all year, one year, doing Firestorm, and he was filming in Vancouver. He was flying in on Saturday from Vancouver and leaving on a red-eye to Vancouver and filming all week. And I think... Breaks you down. Three little kids. Yeah, it breaks you down. It's not good for you. No. You don't like it. It doesn't feel good. And I applaud him for that. And not only is he a great husband... [2:21:14] Great dad. [2:21:16] He's a great-grandfather. I'm a terrible grandfather. Have you got grandkids? No. [2:21:20] Hey, why are you terrible?

[2:21:23] You know, I just, I'm gone all the time. [2:21:25] And, uh... [2:21:28] It's kind of like getting that job. Yeah. I've got to have a job. I've got to go put a suit on. If you have to travel – you were saying that you give corporate speeches. Right. What do you do? What are those about? Speeches. What do you speak about? Well, I'm talking to a bank. [2:21:43] Wednesday morning. [2:21:44] So I'm preparing a bank speech. [2:21:46] Thank you. [2:21:47] And then what do you say that like, what do you say to a bank? Yeah. [2:21:51] They're a bunch of bankers. [2:21:53] Uh... [2:21:54] I know what I know. Is it about leadership? I know. Yeah, some of it's about leadership. It's about it's basically all the things that I know, Joe, have to do with ambition, dreams, drive, goals, goals. [2:22:11] Failure. [2:22:12] overcoming failure, how to deal with failure, how to rise, how to deal with success, how to treat people. So it's a little bit of motivational, a little bit of psychology like you used early with me. What did I use psychology with you? You know when you did it. You know. Right. Hey, Bernie, Bernie. He knows. Bernie. [2:22:36] And so you do different ones for different kind of corporations. [2:22:41] Yeah. So it's kind of like a team-building thing. They get together and you give speeches. Depends on what they want. [2:22:45] Interesting. When did you start doing that? [2:22:47] I've been doing it... [2:22:49] 43 years. Really? [2:22:52] Wow. I know. It's amazing. That's crazy. And how did you get into that?

[2:22:56] I gave a speech in Destin, Florida. [2:22:59] For Frito-Lay. [2:23:01] and [2:23:02] And it was taped. [2:23:04] And they paid me $5,000. And I was doing speeches for $1,200, $800, $50. And they offered me $5,000. [2:23:14] Are you kidding me? I go down there, and it's for Frito-Lace. I build this speech up, and da-da-da-da-da. And they go give this speech. [2:23:22] and this piece is really good, and they taped it, and they sent me a VHS copy, and my... [2:23:30] My then wife put it on one day and thought, oh, my God, this is really good and it's funny. So she found out where... [2:23:38] where the bureaus were, who booked speakers. There were 10 really good ones. And she sent this tape. [2:23:46] And a bio. [2:23:47] to ten different [2:23:49] speaking associations. All right? [2:23:51] We got that through Fran Tarkenden's company in Atlanta, Georgia. They're the ones that turned us on to it. So I come in and she says... [2:23:59] I sent this off. I'm getting calls now. [2:24:03] for speeches. I'm like, what? She says, yeah, you want to do this, you want to do that? And all of them were for $5,000. Are you shitting me? I'm getting five grand? I'm like, oh my God, five grand? [2:24:19] Really? I'm like, [2:24:22] Amazing. So I started doing these speeches for all these different bureaus for five grand.

[2:24:27] Wow. So I go to Hawaii... [2:24:29] On vacation... [2:24:31] And I'm in Hawaii, and a company called Washington Speakers Bureau, WSB, they book. [2:24:37] political speakers, and they had Joe Theismann, [2:24:41] And Jim Valvano. [2:24:44] and maybe Lou Holtz, the three guys they had. So they call it the Rainy Day File, and they've got a big box where they get all the, you know, people send them to them all the time. Hey, Joe, will you come on your show? Okay, put it over there. Put it over there. Put it over there. And eventually you go through it. Oh, we ought to have them on, right? That's kind of how it went. So one day they're looking at these tapes, and they're going, oh, no, spitting it, spitting it. Then they came across Terry Bradshaw. Hey! [2:25:12] Hey, I hear this guy's pretty good. Really, we'll put it on. They put it on. They went, we want to sign him. [2:25:19] So I'm in Hawaii. [2:25:20] I get a phone call in the morning. Hello. Hello. [2:25:24] This is Bernie Swain with Washington Speakers Bureau. I'm here with Harry Rhodes. We just looked at your tape. We think you've got great possibilities. We'd love to represent you exclusively. Da-da-da-da-da. Please call us back. [2:25:38] Thank you. [2:25:39] That's all. [2:25:40] What? So... [2:25:42] Hawaii is 7 in the morning, so it's what? It's 1 o'clock their time, so I call them. And they said, look, [2:25:51] We think you've got great possibility, and we think we can book you and book you.

[2:25:57] A lot. [2:25:58] And I said, well, I'm being booked by 10 people right now. Why would I want to go one? [2:26:03] One person. Well, we're going to guarantee you 50 speeches at $7,500 a speech. [2:26:10] Excuse me? [2:26:12] Did you say $7,500? I'm like, holy cow. So they said, we'll fly you from Hawaii to Washington, D.C., and we'd like to sit down with you and go over a proposal. So they did, and I did. We sat down, fell in love with these guys. They were awesome. Gave me a proposal, 50 speeches, $7,500. Add that up, that's a pretty good chunk of dough. [2:26:42] And they say, we'll have you at $10,000 in six months. $10,000. You're going to book me for $10,000? Are you kidding me? That's crazy. Sure enough. [2:26:54] So that's how you got into speeches? Yeah. So when you do speeches, like say of like a tire company calls you, whatever it is, do you write it out for that company? I never write it out. I do not write a word. [2:27:09] I cannot write. I write here. [2:27:13] So how do you plan out a speech? I write here. You just sit around and think about what you're going to say. Exactly. And over time, what speakers do, because I asked Jay Leno this one time, you're doing 100 stand-ups. And he says, well, I'll take a theme for this year, and I'll do it all. I don't change anything other than the name where I'm going. And so I said, oh. So I don't have to change all of this every time. And I learned that from Jay Leno. Takes the same thing and then put Tire Company in there.

[2:27:43] and build it around that. [2:27:45] And [2:27:46] What else I started doing? I started reading a lot. Psychology, salesmanship, leadership. You know one of the guys that came to hear me speak here in Austin? [2:28:01] McRaven. [2:28:02] Admiral McRaven. Oh, okay. Have you had him on yet? No. Oh, my God. The guy that gives the 10 points of success? Yeah, I've seen those speeches. He was ahead of Texas? Oh, amazing. Fast. The Obama... [2:28:17] Osama bin Laden. [2:28:18] He that's his that's his raid. The whole thing was him. He designed that whole raid. Amazing human being. He's right here in your backyard. You haven't had him. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Joe. [2:28:31] There's only so many days in a week you can do shows, you know. Can't have everybody on. Okay, man. Do you do a show every day? Four days a week. Okay, what's a day off? [2:28:39] Usually Friday, but it shifts. Yeah. It shifts depending on, you know, what I got going on. But, you know, so I... [2:28:47] So [2:28:47] I am... [2:28:49] I build a show according to what they're doing, and through all my reading... [2:28:55] Um... [2:28:57] And I'm naturally... [2:28:58] I think I'm gifted enough humor-wise that I've incorporated a ton of humor, and I mix the humor in, and I incorporate the audience. And so did you start doing all this reading just to make your speeches better? I wanted to get smarter. That's funny. I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to be...

[2:29:18] Yeah, I wanted to be a little bit up on things. I took psychology and marketing and all that in college, but I thought, hey, if I'm going to make a career out of this, gather all the knowledge you can gather. Yeah. And so that's what I did. That's very smart. I started reading all these self-help books. And you know what? When you do read all that, you find out it's pretty basic. There's a foundation, a common denominator that all of them have. [2:29:46] I don't steal material, but I do steal... [2:29:52] I do program my speeches. I've gone on stage and forgot the name of the company. I did that once. I did that once. [2:30:03] I went on stage in Vegas for a huge 5,000 people. And I went out there and I'm, you know, I've got a style about me. It's a freelance. It's, hey, you know, I work the crowd. I get to know them. I'm having a good time, feeling good. [2:30:22] the meeting planner, the guy that... Let's give it up! Give it up! Terry Bratchell! Thank you, Terry! Thank you so much! Terry Bratchell! They escort me off! [2:30:32] Ten minutes. [2:30:34] 10 minutes. So there's three. What happened? Why did they escort you off? He thought I didn't. [2:30:41] He thought I didn't know what I was doing, I guess. [2:30:44] He obviously didn't look at my tapes, but I was just...

[2:30:49] I was just having fun with the crowd before I worked my way. Sometimes I'll go right into it. Uh-huh. Sometimes I won't. Sometimes I'll hey-hey. I mess with them. Right. I'm just... [2:31:01] having fun yeah yeah he out of there wow oh and very what kind of company was that [2:31:09] Um... [2:31:10] Someone that could afford to pay me and not have me give a speech. Yeah, bad. Well, some people are very impatient. Bad. It was bad. And I asked my wife in the car going to the airport. You know when you – and I said, what's wrong? And I said, what did I do? Is that wrong? She said, you did nothing wrong. This guy just doesn't know your style. So they just hired you based on name alone and didn't know what they were getting? Excuse me. I would imagine that for – I would think name alone has a lot to do with all my – Oh, 100%. But that's what I was just going to say. [2:31:40] Super Bowls, you know pressure, you know up and down, you know how to deal with, you get in the huddle, how do you manage a huddle, how do you do this, how do you call plays, and I make fun of all these guys that have placards on their forearms, number four, number four, where I had to go. [2:31:57] Second and eight. Okay, look. Second and eight. Let's go. Let's go. [2:32:04] No, no, no. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. No, no. I don't want to run that. Let's go this. I've totally run that. [2:32:10] I totally ran the huddle. [2:32:12] The whole thing. What do you all say? Can we do that? No, we can't. What do you want to do? I ran the huddle. [2:32:18] I was smart enough as the...

[2:32:24] chairman of the board in the huddle to say, I don't have all the answers. [2:32:30] I thought I did. We're not doing very well here. [2:32:34] I'm going to try this play, but what do you all think? [2:32:36] And I got input. [2:32:38] All right. [2:32:39] Is there anything better than input? Is there anything better than the people that are doing it? As a sales team, you've got a sales manager and sales team comes back and says, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is not a good idea. This isn't working. They don't like this data. And you change it. Smart people make adjustments in the middle of… [2:32:57] Chaos. [2:32:58] Right. Competition. And that's how I ran the... The huddle. The huddle. And speaking... [2:33:08] Speaking is... [2:33:10] I know where I'm going when I walk on stage. [2:33:13] And once I get on stage, I can tell within five minutes I'm going to change my direction. [2:33:20] And I can. I've been doing it 40-something years. Right. I've got eight hours of material, not to mention all the new material I'm getting every week. So I can change it. And I've got to tell you, you're a stand-up comedian. Is there anything better? [2:33:37] than getting on stage and deliver a performance, and they are just laughing to everything. It's just rolling, just rolling, just rolling. And you walk off, and they're screaming, Joe, Joe, Joe. And you're like, God, man, I nailed it tonight. And then you walk off, or going out and go, hey, I didn't hear this the other day. What about that? And everything falls flat. And when you leave...

[2:34:01] *clap* [2:34:02] And you go off stage and you're not miserable. Miserable. Miserable. Sure. You don't want to be miserable. No. You did everything you could to make it enjoyable. I'm entertaining them. [2:34:13] I want this to be a great experience for them. And when you fail, it's devastating. It's devastating. [2:34:21] Yeah. [2:34:21] Yeah. Yeah. So why'd they pay you? What do you think, Hank? They pay you to be entertaining. I think it's Hank. Yeah. Poor Jamie. Poor. Oh, Jamie. Sorry, Jay. I'm sorry, man. [2:34:33] Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that it's a completely different thing, but having a guy like you go and talk to a corporation has got to be very fun for them. [2:34:42] You know, because, you know, you're a guy who's won the Super Bowl. Yeah. You guys, like... My speech is... [2:34:47] My speeches are... [2:34:49] Thank you. [2:34:52] Do you know who Joe Hosting is? [2:34:54] I know the name. [2:34:55] He's the preacher. Joel Olsten. Oh, what did I say? Holstein? Like the cow? Olsten, you're right. Olsten, right? Olsten, right, yeah. Oh, he doesn't go to church. He doesn't know. It's Olsten. Yeah, that guy. [2:35:08] He does the giant stadium preacher. God, look at the mountain. You see the mountain? Look at my Rolls Royce. One of those good guys. Yeah, it's a good guy. And people need that in their life. I like to say, there's another mountain out there. But if you continue down the path you're going, and I want my hand spanked, you know? [2:35:29] I don't need it spanked. I know it should be spanked, but I want him to spank me. It's fine with me.

[2:35:37] When I go out to speak, I'm a feel-good guy. [2:35:43] You know, [2:35:44] Unless they say to me, here's where we're struggling. We need you to add this, this, and this. Oh, so sometimes they'll give you a direction? Oh, always. They'd like you. They always give you a direction. Okay. So they have like a purpose for why you're doing a speech. You always know where you're going. Yeah. You always know what your audience is. [2:35:59] Yeah. Well, it sounds like you really enjoy it, but that's a lot. So is that what you're doing when you're doing 250 dates a year? Yeah, I do. Yeah, a lot. Tuesday, Wednesday of this week. [2:36:11] Then I'll get off. I do 30 a year, which is plenty. That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot. When you're getting $5 million in a speech, I mean, you've got to think about it. [2:36:21] What do you think, Buck? [2:36:24] Old Buck's over there. He's like, I'll be so glad when this boy's off. Oh, he likes you. [2:36:31] Terry thank you very much for being here man this was a lot of fun I really enjoyed it [2:36:35] It was great to talk to you. Me too. [2:36:38] Thank you. Thanks, Joe. Been watching you. Enjoy. You're smart. Thank you. [2:36:43] You're insightful. [2:36:44] You do your homework. [2:36:46] I helped you today, though. You did. You helped me a lot. Yeah. Doing what you do. [2:36:51] It's not easy. I found out about limousine cattle. [2:36:54] You taught me some things. I know. [2:36:57] You know how to fix a prolapse uterus? [2:36:59] What's that?

[2:37:02] Show him, Jamie. I'd rather not. [2:37:05] So tell everybody how they buy this whiskey. Is it everywhere? Can you get it? Is there a website? We're in 11 states. [2:37:12] Right now, you can go Terry Bradshaw. [2:37:14] bourbon.com you'll find out where we are in Texas Terry Bradshaw bourbon.com there it is look at that that's not a good picture oh look at the cigar Joe solid picture yeah cigar that's an old man you're 58 yeah and look at that you got a serious whiskey sifter there what are those things called [2:37:35] Yeah, those are good. That's like if you're a serious taster. You know, it... [2:37:40] It is... [2:37:42] That's. [2:37:42] Now, people think, boy, he's making a killing off that whiskey. I might make $6,000 this year. [2:37:51] Sixth. [2:37:52] But we're building it. It's slow. Whiskey is. Bourbon is slow, man. It's hard. It has to age. You go down that aisle. Yeah. 5,000. And we've won all these awards. [2:38:04] We beat them all. [2:38:06] Beat them all. Congratulations. Thank you. I'm so proud of that. And the thing about the juice is mine. I created this juice. It has to be something that you love doing. That's not something you can do. You know what? It could be... It could be... [2:38:20] Any other product. I think it's just the fact that I get to go out and sell it. I like selling. Well, it's an aged product. It's a different – like if you were selling vodka or tequila, something you could just make real quick. No, this is – It's a different thing. Aged whiskey is a very different thing. It took me a year and a half to get the blend right.

[2:38:36] The blend, the juice. It took me a year and a half before I agreed to put it in a bottle. Then when I put it in a bottle, I wanted, this is old gun smoke. [2:38:48] I wanted a gun smoke bottle. And this is the original... [2:38:53] Label. And that's gunpowder. Gunpowder gray. And the Super Bowl stuff is put on there by [2:39:01] You know, the bottling company, which I didn't really – that wasn't part of it. You know, Joe, you ever got to a point in your life when you go, can I not sell something that's really good without having to be me? [2:39:13] Right, I know what you mean. It wouldn't have been like that if it hadn't been you, Terry. Right. Can it not be just because it's good? Right. [2:39:20] You certainly could do that. Yeah. Yeah. My stud horses, I have the best stud horses in America. [2:39:26] You know... [2:39:27] Best. [2:39:28] And they're breeding world champions, and I'm so proud of that. The business is good. But I don't have to sell them. We have offspring that sell them. But this is Bradshaw whiskey. Yeah, this is this. I wouldn't want my dad to see it, but there it is. There it is. There it is. All right, Terry. But thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks for being here, brother. I've been a huge fan for many years. And me and you. And thanks. We didn't get into politics, which I'm very thankful for. I'm glad, too. Yeah, me, too. [2:39:58] are i know i am enough enough enough of that in this world thank you terry thank you that was fun all right bye everybody